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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Theocrat" data-source="post: 1603875" data-attributes="member: 16778">Are you guys missing the Living Greyhawk Gazetter?Hi all-All this talk about a hardback of the Greyhawk Adventures....The GHA has: Gods, named Wizard Spells, Mysterious Places, a couple campaign / story arcs. Now, here's the meat of it all....You do know that Gary Holian (owner of CanonFire), Erik Mona (Dungeon editor, former editor of Oerth Journal), sean k reynolds (all un-capitilized names means disrespect [like you'll never catch me refering to the realms book frcs in caps]), & Fred Weining wrote the Living Greyhaw Gazetteer? Gary Holian and Erik wrote most of the nation entries. If your real good you'll find the hidden gems. As an example, for the Pale (of course that's my personal region of expertise, hence Theocrat), St. Ceril is refered to. Well St. Ceril comes from iirc Dragon 82. Gary read the article, liked the concept and then used it and refered to in the LGG. Thus making the Dragon Mag and article canon. Fred wrote much of the Bakluni / Suel background and regionals (iirc). I'm not 100% sure on that. skr wrote the gods. He sucks. I don't like his politics, his writing style and or his imagination. Just don't. Even taking my personal dislike for him writting Greyhawk canon (I dislike his imagination, because he like Roger Moore and so many others doesn't/ didn't do enough research) I felt that the gods of Greyhawk should have had more and better information. Tal Meta, a long time fan and author of GH Stuff wrote some awesome god conversions. He plays Greyhawk using the RuneQuest ruleset. Interesting. So he converted all the gods and broke them down (Touv, Oerdian, Suel, Dwur, Olve, etc...) for RuneQuest. His ideas and concepts are so awesome that even if skr had checked them out his god section would be 10x's better. The best thing about the LGG is that it is game generic. There are NO stats, not even for the gods. This is becasue the LGG was written while things were sill AD&D 2e, but with the 3e concepts in mind. So only the Domains are 3e. Next, the LGG is all about the nations, and whats been going on since From the Ashes. It's CY 591. Roger Moore's Circle of Eight and Players Guide both (iirc) end in 591, so this just picks it up right there. And even though it says Living Greyhawk, in regards to the Living Greyhawk Campaign by the RPGA, it is not weighted down by that. So, the LGG has more than what the GHA has. It has the gods (and more of them). More gods were described in one of the first couple LGJ's. The LGG has both mysterious places - tons of them with all the nations, and it also has a couple of organizations. So far, it's more than the GHA ever was. Ok, spells. Well, ok. It doesn't have any, becasue as I said - it's game generic. But as I mentioned, I did the PDF conversion of them and have them hosted [I'm the downloads editor] at CanonFire. So Download the 15 page (or so) Named Spell book from the GHA and now you have the GHA in 3.5 format. Next, add to it by getting the Greyhawk Feats I & II that Erik Mona did. And while your checking out the 30 or so issues of the LGJ, you'll find tons of organizations, speciailized paladins of many of the gods, notes about the Valley Elves (by skr, and if he really knew GH, he'd call them OLVES), and so much more. I'm only against WotC / RPGA doing stuff for Greyhawk. They're Fricking it up. With so many hands in the cookie jar of Living Greyhawk, there isn't a concise direction. And worse, is the lack of research. My research for my Weathering the Flanaess article and History of the Pale part 1 is massive, and is only for the Oerth Journal. If the RPGA authors and so forth kept the same standard (heck even if the authors did so) Greyhawk would not flounder. So lets say that a company picked up Greyhawk. Necormancer and Green Ronin might be good, but they have their own designs. You'd need a company, a smaller company. Personally when my wife makes me rich, I'm going to buy it. But sure. I'd love to see a company made up of fans of the setting. Gary, Erik, and many others that are part of CanonFire. Sure we don't all agree - in fact I have some radical ideas, as do many others. But at least the setting could be straighten out. Erik tried that, and tries to make a cohesion out of a mess from the many authors that have written about the setting....a setting which was only centered around a city and came togeather only out of necesity, and not out of logical design. Until a person/company takes over and puts knowledgable people in charge, Greyhawk will stagnate - offically. However, with the likes of Gary Holian [PSmedger}, ChatDemon, Grodog, Tizoc, Abyss, myself {Theocrat Issak}, and so many others, Greyhawk is in good hands. For as long as Erik can keep Greyhawk Material in either Dungeon or Dragon mag's, more people will be able to see the fruits of those labors. But most of all.....take your ideas, take my ideas, and take someone elses idea. Write them down. Post them to CanonFire as an article. We're not that stringent. We don't even edit spelling mistakes most of the time! But you'll help keep the setting alive and tha'ts what CanonFire is about. Even if the ideas are WRONG and Disliked, it's your Greyhawk. And that's why, it's CanonFire & GreyhawkOnline....Protect Your World!!!</blockquote>

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