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Message: <blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 7126913" data-attributes="member: 463">In 1e AD&D Fighter caps at THAC0 4 at 17th level. I played so much 1e BiTD I have it memorised. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> Monsters cap at THAC0 7 at 16 hd, and since they rarely get bonuses are much worse off than Fighters.Turning to 5e, the Barb-18 IMC with STR 20 +3 sword gets +14 to hit, and functionally is not that different from a high level 1e Fighter in that he's hitting most common opponents on a '2'; though he'd need 6 to hit a plate & shield wearer where the 1e Ftr-18 would still hit on a 2. The much bigger difference is that with AC 22 he is still getting hit on 18+ by common ATT+4 foes, and hit easily by big monsters, whereas his 1e equivalent would typically have AC -6 to -10 (say +3 plate, +3 shield, +3 ring, maybe a DEX bonus etc etc) and might not be hittable even on a 20 according to 1e attack tables.</blockquote>