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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JonnyP71" data-source="post: 7128485" data-attributes="member: 6788862">Erm, yes they do, considerably more.Take the Ogre example, almost every PC apart from a Fighter will start with a THAC0 of 20, and will have that until they reach roughly level 4.  If they find a +1 weapon, they can drop that to 19.Pre-UA, Fighters would typically have a THAC0 of 19 or 20 too until 3rd level, unless they got very lucky with their strength roll.This means they hit an AC5 Ogre about 25% of the time.  Less than half of PCs will have a damage bonus in melee typically, so that's a 1d6 from a cleric's mace, or a 1d12 from a fighter's longsword - maybe 1d12+1.Now look at 5E, most PCs start with an attack bonus of +4 or +5.  That same Ogre had an AC11, so PCs are now hitting about 66% of the time.  They will usually have +2 or +3 to damage, so the average weapon damage dealt out will be higher.  Wizards can now spam damaging cantrips, so they can cause reliable damage too.  Rogues can usually get a sneak attack in most rounds for extra damage.5E PCs do a lot more damage more quickly due to better changes to hit, and a higher prevalence of damage bonuses!  It recently took a party of 8 characters of levels 3/4 about 6 rounds to take down a creature with AC0 and 30hp.  How long would a creature with AC20 and 30hp last in 5 against the same number of similarly levelled characters? One round?  Maybe 2?  You also have to factor in Paladin smites, criticals doing double damage, more magic missiles, missile fire having +stat damage, Barbarian rages, Warlocks spamming Eldritch blast, Druids turning into Bears, etc.... none of these happened in 1E!</blockquote>

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