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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 7129218" data-attributes="member: 15700">No I didn't.  The only class with a decent AC in AD&D is going to be the fighter (and cleric behind him).  Again, the bonuses for ability scores in 5e happen much sooner, and are higher.  In 5e, you get a +1 to your AC with a score of 12, and in 1e you don't get that until it's a 15.  That means almost every MU is going to have an AC 10 for the first couple levels at least.  Then it might only improve by 1 or 2 when they find a magic ring or something.  So while a goblin in 5e might have an attack bonus that a 1e goblin doesn't, the 5e wizard is going to have a higher AC in 5e to offset that.  Same basically goes for thieves as well.  And this is doubly true when you consider in 5e, you increase your ability scores (which can increase things like AC even further) and you don't in AD&D (unless you're that OP Cavalier crap).  Also, a 5HD monster in AD&D (the equivalent of a CR2 or so in 5e) had the equivalent of a +5 bonus to attack.  That's not far off from 5e, and when you factor in those things I just said, not much of a difference at all.So no, I didn't fail to consider the attack matrix (pedantic, but THAC0 wasn't a thing in 1e) compared to attack bonuses in 5e.A thief is only going to be 1 level ahead, looking at the XP tables.  So that's 3 more HP?  Hardly significant.  Especially since after 9th level, they only get 2 hp per level from then out out.  9th level is hit pretty quickly in 5e, and they still get their HD plus Con bonus after that.Also, I disagree with the Saving throw comment.  Most 9th-12th level PCs in AD&D (pretty much end game levels for most players) still failed roughly 50% of the time.  IME, PCs in 5e do not fail their basic Con or Dex saves 50% of the time at that level.  At lower levels, AD&D PCs fail saves anywhere from 2/3 or 3/4 of the time.  Lower level PCs in 5e don't fail saves nearly that much.  So 5e has better save rates as well</blockquote>

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