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<blockquote data-quote="brehobit" data-source="post: 2925218" data-attributes="member: 12032">Actually, the original poster suggested &quot;Or probably a +1 weapon item modifier?&quot;&nbsp; I wouldn't allow a ring which does this (anymore than I'd allow a ring that provides &quot;bane&quot; to all weapons) but I think it is pretty balanced as a +1 item.I've not seen many high-level rogues in action, but I'd be supprised if a given rogue got more than 3/4 of their attack as sneak attacks (given an opponent that can be sneak attacked).&nbsp; Half seems about right in my experiance.Given a &quot;standard&quot; game where the different groups of baddies are more-or-less equally common, bane is, in my opinion, actually pretty weak.&nbsp; A pure extra +1 is probably prefered vs. getting the huge bonuses 10% of the time. It can be really potent.&nbsp; But I'd go back to my original argument.&nbsp; It takes some work to use (flanking etc.), it is really only enabling a class ability in a wider circumstance, and it is highly limited in the targets it works against.&nbsp; I suppose if you were worried about the worst-case use of it (19th level rogue) it might be a +2 modifier.&nbsp; But I'd stick with +1.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="brehobit, post: 2925218, member: 12032"] Actually, the original poster suggested "Or probably a +1 weapon item modifier?" I wouldn't allow a ring which does this (anymore than I'd allow a ring that provides "bane" to all weapons) but I think it is pretty balanced as a +1 item. I've not seen many high-level rogues in action, but I'd be supprised if a given rogue got more than 3/4 of their attack as sneak attacks (given an opponent that can be sneak attacked). Half seems about right in my experiance. Given a "standard" game where the different groups of baddies are more-or-less equally common, bane is, in my opinion, actually pretty weak. A pure extra +1 is probably prefered vs. getting the huge bonuses 10% of the time. It can be really potent. But I'd go back to my original argument. It takes some work to use (flanking etc.), it is really only enabling a class ability in a wider circumstance, and it is highly limited in the targets it works against. I suppose if you were worried about the worst-case use of it (19th level rogue) it might be a +2 modifier. But I'd stick with +1. [/QUOTE]

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