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<blockquote data-quote="TrippyHippy" data-source="post: 6237606" data-attributes="member: 27252">I know this is a perceived wisdom for a lot of people, but I just find it a really frustrating way of doing things. The game should be 'complete' insofar that it is self contained and doesn't need expansion to reach nominally higher levels and such. Levels 1-5 is too small, 1-2 is pathetic. I'd also be guarded from the maps 'n' tokens concept as the presentation of D&amp;D as just a type of skirmish war-game has got to be squashed this time round. Save that stuff for expansions. I'd understand the whole '4x4' notion of using just the base Classes (Fighter, Cleric, Rogue and Mage) and Races (Human, Elf, Dwarf, Halfling), and could see an 'Advanced D&amp;D book' expand in all sorts of ideas (including the other Classes and Races) - but frankly the last attempt at a basic box set (Essentials) was very poor and incomplete. I'm not surprised that people would be put off the idea.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TrippyHippy, post: 6237606, member: 27252"] I know this is a perceived wisdom for a lot of people, but I just find it a really frustrating way of doing things. The game should be 'complete' insofar that it is self contained and doesn't need expansion to reach nominally higher levels and such. Levels 1-5 is too small, 1-2 is pathetic. I'd also be guarded from the maps 'n' tokens concept as the presentation of D&D as just a type of skirmish war-game has got to be squashed this time round. Save [I]that stuff[/I] for expansions. I'd understand the whole '4x4' notion of using just the base Classes (Fighter, Cleric, Rogue and Mage) and Races (Human, Elf, Dwarf, Halfling), and could see an 'Advanced D&D book' expand in all sorts of ideas (including the other Classes and Races) - but frankly the last attempt at a basic box set (Essentials) was very poor and incomplete. I'm not surprised that people would be put off the idea. [/QUOTE]

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