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<blockquote data-quote="TrippyHippy" data-source="post: 6237690" data-attributes="member: 27252">But that is the whole point. I'm not looking for a 'demo game' in a box or a 'starter kit'. I want a complete, self-contained game product that includes everything needed for play (including dice!). Give people a good range of classes, races, levels of play, monsters, adventures and a fully working ruleset, along with the sheets and dice needed to play - to begin with, and they'll naturally come back for more (and buy more supplements). Having a partial game made for the purposes of 'introducing new players' is frankly just a rip-off, and I'm not surprised people object to the thought of it and wouldn't buy much beyond this set. If people want to buy a set of thick text-books instead of this format, or alongside it, then fine - but why only provide this format exclusively if there is a whole market out there that wants to play simpler, 'casual' game which is self-contained in and of itself. There is a massive bunch of RPGers that have technically 'moved on' from D&amp;D, but would still buy a complete core rules set out of nostalgia as much as anything else.The online thing is fine, if you're online. But not everybody is, as has been stated a lot already. Beyond this, a lot of people prefer to own tangible products rather than online documents.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TrippyHippy, post: 6237690, member: 27252"] But that is the whole point. I'm not looking for a 'demo game' in a box or a 'starter kit'. I want a complete, self-contained game product that includes everything needed for play (including dice!). Give people a good range of classes, races, levels of play, monsters, adventures and a fully working ruleset, along with the sheets and dice needed to play - to begin with, and they'll naturally come back for more (and buy more supplements). Having a partial game made for the purposes of 'introducing new players' is frankly just a rip-off, and I'm not surprised people object to the thought of it and wouldn't buy much beyond this set. If people want to buy a set of thick text-books instead of this format, or alongside it, then fine - but why only provide this format exclusively if there is a whole market out there that wants to play simpler, 'casual' game which is self-contained in and of itself. There is a massive bunch of RPGers that have technically 'moved on' from D&D, but would still buy a complete core rules set out of nostalgia as much as anything else. The online thing is fine, if you're online. But not everybody is, as has been stated a lot already. Beyond this, a lot of people prefer to own tangible products rather than online documents. [/QUOTE]

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