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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 8320631" data-attributes="member: 58172">For example. The concept of the (psionic) magic of the Alfar relates their superlative beauty and health.Similarly, the "cliff giants" (risar) are usually human size, but can attain unlimited sizes. Their growth relates to their intention. One saga has two brothers, where one is human size and the other is the size of cliff. These beings personify shamanic magic, and are considered the most beautiful beings (and strong of course). The wording is different, but some interpret the giants to be even more beautiful than the Alfar.Odin never ate food, and only drank wine.Surviving a snow storm and starving for days or weeks, also takes mental fortitude.Traveling outofbody is important, literally thru this world, not some other "spiritual world".The themes are ubiquitous.Odin is important in Denmark. Odin is surprisingly irrelevant in Norway. Norway is more about Thor. Sweden is more about Frey.In Norway, the popular sky nature spirits are Thor, Frey, Njord, and Ull.In any case, the idea is, Odin is the mind that organizes the cycles of the seasons and of the sun and moon and stars. This cycle itself is beneficial to humans, even if it is dangerous for a human to interact with him personally.I dont know if the psion-primal coin is symmetric with the arcane-divine coin.I view the psion-primal division as mainly humanoid-versus-nonhumanoid. Here nonhumanoid includes the elements and the plants. (Still, a psionic Psion can become a Beast, and a primal Druid can make a Humanoid ferocious and brave.)The protosciences of the medieval period ended up splitting between something like "chemistry versus psychology".In that sense, I view "divine" as more about "archetypes, ideals, symbols, and meaning of life".Oppositely, "arcane" is more about chemistry, quantum states, mathematical astronomy, and so on. Still the very ancient concept of Hellenistic "magic", that certain objects (different kinds of plants, stones, spoken formulas) are also part of "arcane", as spell components.Still arcane and divine feels like two sides of the same coin, and psionic and primal feels like two sides of the same coin.</blockquote>

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