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<blockquote data-quote="Steampunkette" data-source="post: 8321890" data-attributes="member: 6796468"><p>It's comic art, actually. But as long as you've got the Revised on hand, look to pages 88 and 89 on Kurn. In it, it describes Keltis becoming tortured by the images of those he killed, advancing to stage 2 dragon, and getting even MORE guilt because of the people he killed to become a Dragon. And then he gave up Defiling spent 1,000 years developing the ritual to begin the transition to Avangion. And then started it. Which has caused new problems because he was just GONE for a long period of time and his city-state had no ruler during that time.</p><p></p><p>Keltis/Oronis is the first Avangion and the only person on Athas who knows how to do it 'cause he invented it.</p><p></p><p>Realistically you could use every single class, even Artificer. They'd just need more or less refluffing to fit the setting.</p><p></p><p>Subclasses are a bit touchier, because there's some freaking WILD Subclasses out there, not gonna lie.</p><p></p><p>If I had -my- druthers on the matter:</p><p></p><p><strong>Warlocks and Paladins </strong>would become Templars. Any Warlock Patron would work just fine except the watery ones. We'd just have to map them to specific Sorcerer-Kings. Like Lalali-Puy could be the Archfey, while Oronis could be the Celestial. But alllll the Paladin Subclasses would need -drastic- reworking. Their oaths are basically all wrong for Dark Sun. The -abilities- are fine, obviously balanced and whatnot... but the "Destroy all Evil" thing doesn't work when your Boss -is- Evil. And one of the most powerful evils.</p><p></p><p><strong>Sorcerers: </strong>Cut from the game, entirely. Their Metamagic and Flexible Casting becomes Defiling that every arcane magic user (Including Eldritch Knights and Warlocks) can tap into.</p><p></p><p><strong>Barbarians</strong> are fine, you could rename some stuff to be more "Dark Sunny" if you felt like it. Totem of the Gaj, for example. Maybe kill the Zealot or have it be a new way to be a Templar? Interesting angle to take it. Obviously no Depths-Barbarian. But that's just so a player doesn't self-nerf their class features. Make up a Gladiator Subclass while you're at it.</p><p></p><p><strong>Bards</strong> you could just rename to "Wilder", refluff their magic as Psionic and they're good to go. MAYBE ditch the Necromancy one, but loss and grief are powerful emotions, too.</p><p></p><p><strong>Cleric: </strong>Either map all the current Domains to different Elements (War for Fire, perhaps, Healing for Water, Etc) and have them be elemental clerics, or make a set of exclusionary domains and don't allow anyone to take the core domains. (I think the former would be better, probably, but you could also -make- Elemental Domains -and- map the standard ones which would be awesome)</p><p></p><p><strong>Druid: </strong>No work needs doing except maybe updated animals for 5e Dark Sun they can change into with Wild Shape... Maybe turn Wild Shape into "Shapeshift" and create a more generic set of "Animal Forms" which aren't -specific- animals but essentially -function- like animal types and let the player choose specifics later. Like using a "Durable Form" to represent the Inix they turn themself into early on and Mekillot they do up, later.</p><p></p><p><strong>Fighter: </strong>Make up a Gladiator subclass and let 'em rip.</p><p></p><p><strong>Monk: </strong>Refluff away the Orientalism and play them up as a type of Psionic fighter.</p><p></p><p><strong>Ranger: </strong>Refluff into 5e Psychic Warrior. Have their Spellcasting and interesting Class Features be Psionic, call their land-connection stuff Premonitions and make their tracking features reliant on following psychic imprints. It would give the Ranger a serious and centralized narrative for the first time since 3e... Keep their subclasses as psionic paths, even Beastmaster. Which is either a Psionic-Dominance kind of thing or maybe an Astral construct that fights on the Psychic Warrior's behalf?</p><p></p><p><strong>Rogue: </strong>Make a Bard Subclass that adds in some music, lots of alchemy, and some assassination stuff. Maybe the ability to sacrifice Sneak Attack Dice to create effects separate from "Moar Damage" or use them in different situations.</p><p></p><p><strong>Wizard: </strong>Leave 'em just as they are.</p><p></p><p><strong>Artificer: </strong>Ancient Ruin Delver. Picking up strange technologies from the Green Age that they try to replicate, with one Psionic Subclass using the Archivist subclass that uses a Psi-Crystal and Mental Network and stuff.</p><p></p><p><strong>Psion: </strong>New class. Full Psionics casting. Preferably in the form of a wide array of Cantrip-style Powers that can have power points invested in them to increase their effects/targets/damage/etc on the fly with a short rest recovery for Psi Points and a number of Psi Points equal to level and a separate limit to how many points they can spend. Add in a "Cantrip-Power PP Budget" at level 5 that expands at 11 and 15 for up to 3 "Free" PP that can only be spent on the Cantrip-Powers. Then give them the ability to duplicate higher level spells through psionics once per day per spell level like a Warlock using their big Arcana.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steampunkette, post: 8321890, member: 6796468"] It's comic art, actually. But as long as you've got the Revised on hand, look to pages 88 and 89 on Kurn. In it, it describes Keltis becoming tortured by the images of those he killed, advancing to stage 2 dragon, and getting even MORE guilt because of the people he killed to become a Dragon. And then he gave up Defiling spent 1,000 years developing the ritual to begin the transition to Avangion. And then started it. Which has caused new problems because he was just GONE for a long period of time and his city-state had no ruler during that time. Keltis/Oronis is the first Avangion and the only person on Athas who knows how to do it 'cause he invented it. Realistically you could use every single class, even Artificer. They'd just need more or less refluffing to fit the setting. Subclasses are a bit touchier, because there's some freaking WILD Subclasses out there, not gonna lie. If I had -my- druthers on the matter: [B]Warlocks and Paladins [/B]would become Templars. Any Warlock Patron would work just fine except the watery ones. We'd just have to map them to specific Sorcerer-Kings. Like Lalali-Puy could be the Archfey, while Oronis could be the Celestial. But alllll the Paladin Subclasses would need -drastic- reworking. Their oaths are basically all wrong for Dark Sun. The -abilities- are fine, obviously balanced and whatnot... but the "Destroy all Evil" thing doesn't work when your Boss -is- Evil. And one of the most powerful evils. [B]Sorcerers: [/B]Cut from the game, entirely. Their Metamagic and Flexible Casting becomes Defiling that every arcane magic user (Including Eldritch Knights and Warlocks) can tap into. [B]Barbarians[/B] are fine, you could rename some stuff to be more "Dark Sunny" if you felt like it. Totem of the Gaj, for example. Maybe kill the Zealot or have it be a new way to be a Templar? Interesting angle to take it. Obviously no Depths-Barbarian. But that's just so a player doesn't self-nerf their class features. Make up a Gladiator Subclass while you're at it. [B]Bards[/B] you could just rename to "Wilder", refluff their magic as Psionic and they're good to go. MAYBE ditch the Necromancy one, but loss and grief are powerful emotions, too. [B]Cleric: [/B]Either map all the current Domains to different Elements (War for Fire, perhaps, Healing for Water, Etc) and have them be elemental clerics, or make a set of exclusionary domains and don't allow anyone to take the core domains. (I think the former would be better, probably, but you could also -make- Elemental Domains -and- map the standard ones which would be awesome) [B]Druid: [/B]No work needs doing except maybe updated animals for 5e Dark Sun they can change into with Wild Shape... Maybe turn Wild Shape into "Shapeshift" and create a more generic set of "Animal Forms" which aren't -specific- animals but essentially -function- like animal types and let the player choose specifics later. Like using a "Durable Form" to represent the Inix they turn themself into early on and Mekillot they do up, later. [B]Fighter: [/B]Make up a Gladiator subclass and let 'em rip. [B]Monk: [/B]Refluff away the Orientalism and play them up as a type of Psionic fighter. [B]Ranger: [/B]Refluff into 5e Psychic Warrior. Have their Spellcasting and interesting Class Features be Psionic, call their land-connection stuff Premonitions and make their tracking features reliant on following psychic imprints. It would give the Ranger a serious and centralized narrative for the first time since 3e... Keep their subclasses as psionic paths, even Beastmaster. Which is either a Psionic-Dominance kind of thing or maybe an Astral construct that fights on the Psychic Warrior's behalf? [B]Rogue: [/B]Make a Bard Subclass that adds in some music, lots of alchemy, and some assassination stuff. Maybe the ability to sacrifice Sneak Attack Dice to create effects separate from "Moar Damage" or use them in different situations. [B]Wizard: [/B]Leave 'em just as they are. [B]Artificer: [/B]Ancient Ruin Delver. Picking up strange technologies from the Green Age that they try to replicate, with one Psionic Subclass using the Archivist subclass that uses a Psi-Crystal and Mental Network and stuff. [B]Psion: [/B]New class. Full Psionics casting. Preferably in the form of a wide array of Cantrip-style Powers that can have power points invested in them to increase their effects/targets/damage/etc on the fly with a short rest recovery for Psi Points and a number of Psi Points equal to level and a separate limit to how many points they can spend. Add in a "Cantrip-Power PP Budget" at level 5 that expands at 11 and 15 for up to 3 "Free" PP that can only be spent on the Cantrip-Powers. Then give them the ability to duplicate higher level spells through psionics once per day per spell level like a Warlock using their big Arcana. [/QUOTE]
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