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<blockquote data-quote="humble minion" data-source="post: 8324769" data-attributes="member: 5948"><p>Lots of new puppies in the Dark Sun thread it seems! Behold my fearsome couchhound....</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]139362[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Athasian bard as a rogue subclass is a weird one. Problem is that for me, a bard's abilities (even an Athasian one) should be primarily social, rather than sneaky/murdery (or rather than magical, which is one of the beefs I have with the 5e bard)</p><p></p><p>I assume an Athasian bard rogue subclass would have poison use (as the assassin) but then also bardic inspiration? Is that too many features to load on to a subclass, especially when both poison and inspiration are pretty iconic Athasian bard abilities and you'd want access to them relatively early? I'd be a bit tempted to use Tasha's concept of alternate class features here instead of shoehorning bards into rogue subclasses. Maybe a classic Athasian bard could be a PHB bard who swaps spellcasting for poison use and sneak attack. This'd also give you scope to, for instance, make a Marshal type class which is a Valor bard who swaps spellcasting for a battlemaster's combat maneuvers and some extra hit point, or something like that. Or even a trader/caravan master class who is a bard who swaps spellcasting for wilderness survival, bargaining, animal handling, etc abilities. But I've wanted a non-magical Charisma-based class for ages, and that's a hobby-horse of mine.</p><p></p><p>You might still need to fiddle about replacing spellcasting-focused features from bardic sublasses though, which would get messy.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="humble minion, post: 8324769, member: 5948"] Lots of new puppies in the Dark Sun thread it seems! Behold my fearsome couchhound.... [ATTACH type="full"]139362[/ATTACH] Athasian bard as a rogue subclass is a weird one. Problem is that for me, a bard's abilities (even an Athasian one) should be primarily social, rather than sneaky/murdery (or rather than magical, which is one of the beefs I have with the 5e bard) I assume an Athasian bard rogue subclass would have poison use (as the assassin) but then also bardic inspiration? Is that too many features to load on to a subclass, especially when both poison and inspiration are pretty iconic Athasian bard abilities and you'd want access to them relatively early? I'd be a bit tempted to use Tasha's concept of alternate class features here instead of shoehorning bards into rogue subclasses. Maybe a classic Athasian bard could be a PHB bard who swaps spellcasting for poison use and sneak attack. This'd also give you scope to, for instance, make a Marshal type class which is a Valor bard who swaps spellcasting for a battlemaster's combat maneuvers and some extra hit point, or something like that. Or even a trader/caravan master class who is a bard who swaps spellcasting for wilderness survival, bargaining, animal handling, etc abilities. But I've wanted a non-magical Charisma-based class for ages, and that's a hobby-horse of mine. You might still need to fiddle about replacing spellcasting-focused features from bardic sublasses though, which would get messy. [/QUOTE]
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