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<blockquote data-quote="Steampunkette" data-source="post: 8328311" data-attributes="member: 6796468"><p>S'not a bad idea... I might need to work on a Multiclassing subdocument.</p><p></p><p>It's true. Though part of that is the city-states being the centers of commerce and interest while the rest of the world is kind of the Adventure Zone where you travel to places... But doing up a bit more detail on the smaller communities could be interesting? Especially the distinct difference between Urik's outlying villages, which are likely kept under direct control of the Lion, while Draj's outlying villages are largely free of Tectuktitlay's influence because of how weak he is.</p><p></p><p>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p></p><p>So... I'm going to be starting in on updating the Sorcerer-Kings in the next week. My current outlines are:</p><p></p><p>Borys: Largely unchanged</p><p></p><p>Kalak: Dead for a little over three months.</p><p></p><p>Tectuktitlay: Heavy Decadence, Short Temper, Warlike but Constrained. Going to heavily play up the socio-political allegory of everyone claiming he is amazing and divine and no one actually believing it. Probably going to go the Ravenloft > Har'akir angle to make Draj less "South American Cultural Stand In" and crank the fantasy dial on it hard, playing up the use of local animals and materials rather than it being handwavey stuff.</p><p></p><p>Keltis: Stepping toward becoming an Avangion, freshly back from his latest "Gone for multiple years" avangion step... The cities of Kurn are probably in some significant disarray. I wonder if his Templars lose spellcasting ability while he's not on the Material Plane? It's an interesting question and one worth exploring in a setting where spellcasting can be yanked away from Paladins and Warlocks and such... Might have to explore that.</p><p></p><p>Dregoth: Still Dead. Play up the horror/nightmare aspects of Giustenal and the Caller in Darkness. Night Terrors for the people exploring it, hallucinations, dreams, and of course real monsters thrown in so they don't know whether it's real or fake on any given pass.</p><p></p><p>Hamanu: The Lion of Urik remains Borys' most steadfast ally. Uses his military power to enforce the Tithe to keep Rajaat contained, iron fist control over the various outlying villages, but still more caring toward his people than most Sorcerer-Kings. Gonna be quick to pop Tectuktitlay's bubble when it comes to conquering the western Tablelands, possibly make him into a Stabilizing Force in the region. Not -nice-, but not the abjectly evil villain he could be if he tried.</p><p></p><p>Abalach-Re: Downplay the "Sinister Sexuality and Vanity" angle because cripes that is just awful and really indicative of how certain people envision women with power. The woman was a military tactician and rival to Hamanu who -survived- being his military rival. She's the one who realized Dregoth was a threat and organized his assassination! She ain't just a pretty face in diaphanous silks. Probably have her being chased out of Raam by Dregoth as a big storyline component for the setting and make his failed vengeance on her a -thing-.</p><p></p><p>Nibenay: Still thinking of doing the trans angle on Nibs. Canonically the Templars of Nibenay are all women, but what if they're all women because Nibenay supports trans rights and only has women of every stripe as Templars? Beyond that there's not a ton known about The Shadow King so there's tons of room to do some design. Yeah, I know the concern people have about making a canonical villain trans person, the key is to have trans people who are good in various other parts of the setting so that being trans isn't equivalent to being evil it's just a function of a character's identity. Y'know... like reality.</p><p></p><p>Andropinis: Playing up the Democratically Elected Sorcerer-King angle -hard-. Create an ineffectual bureaucracy of elected officials and allow people's conflicting hopes to keep the city-state at a standstill and unable to oppose their King. Lots of talk about "Changing things from the Inside" without it ever actually happening. Scapegoats and Fall Guys all over. Very Roman in style, I think, as regards things like social norms and law. Very big on the WAY. Forces his patricians to be deaf, blind, and mute so they use the Way to survive. Interesting angles to go with, there... "Seeing Eye Slaves" that the Patricians use as a 'Scrying' option? Not 100% how to handle it.</p><p></p><p>Daskinor: Really not sure -how- to update this one. The character is a paranoid and delusional character who sees enemies everywhere he looks and fears a mysterious "Them". The Them in question could be the Veiled Alliance, another Sorcerer-King, or just some random slave or citizen on the streets of Eldaarich. Maybe I could play up a Templar-Controlled city angle with an ineffectual king that they use as a figurehead for their control over the town, wherein their oaths to him are not so strong as other Templars because his will and whims are so drastic they routinely lose spellcasting ability? Could be fun.</p><p></p><p>Lalali-Puy: I love the Green Goddess angle. The idea of striving toward redemption and also toward gaslighting the crap out of her own people as a way to get the adulation -now- rather than a thousand years from now. Because even if she's trying to work toward redemption she's still not a great person... Not yet, at least. I definitely codified some of that into the class document with her Templar Oath and the Archfey Patron position. I think I'm going to run with it.</p><p></p><p>Sielba: Still dead. Her holdings largely transferred to Borys and Hamanu... Maybe have her spirit haunting the place Yaramuke was, out of a refusal to pass on and decay in the Gray? Not an Alternate Dregoth, per se, but a different undead Sorcerer-King who is actively ineffectual because all her people are dead... but who -could- empower a Templar if one came to her... interesting ideas.</p><p></p><p>Kalid-Ma: This one... this one could be interesting. We -know- that the Sorcerer-Kings can not only die, but have their power and immortality given to others. Hamanu, after all, was just Manu of Dece before he killed the previous Champion and Slayer of Trolls Myron. Traditionally, Kalid-Ma goes into a torporous sleep when his High Priestess Thakok-An attempts to force his ascension to Dragonhood with the life-force of Kalidnay itself, and she becomes a Dark Lord of a Ravenloft Domain. But Kalidnay isn't in Van Richten's guide... So what if she unintentionally -took- his Status as Sorcerer-King through her ritual? What if Kalid-Ma is dead and Thakok-An of Kalidnay is the new Sorcerer-King.</p><p></p><p>That would give us 3 living female Sorcerer Kings, plus a ghost. And then 6 male ones, though one is a madman no more in control of his community than the average slave and another is a Dracolich. So it's more like 4 and 4 if you count Sielba and Dregoth as Undead Sorcerer-Kings.</p><p></p><p>Deep thoughts...</p><p></p><p>You're gonna -love- this... <a href="https://homebrewery.naturalcrit.com/share/sMYdryhqFjVK" target="_blank">Dark Sun: Athasian Classes - The Homebrewery</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steampunkette, post: 8328311, member: 6796468"] S'not a bad idea... I might need to work on a Multiclassing subdocument. It's true. Though part of that is the city-states being the centers of commerce and interest while the rest of the world is kind of the Adventure Zone where you travel to places... But doing up a bit more detail on the smaller communities could be interesting? Especially the distinct difference between Urik's outlying villages, which are likely kept under direct control of the Lion, while Draj's outlying villages are largely free of Tectuktitlay's influence because of how weak he is. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So... I'm going to be starting in on updating the Sorcerer-Kings in the next week. My current outlines are: Borys: Largely unchanged Kalak: Dead for a little over three months. Tectuktitlay: Heavy Decadence, Short Temper, Warlike but Constrained. Going to heavily play up the socio-political allegory of everyone claiming he is amazing and divine and no one actually believing it. Probably going to go the Ravenloft > Har'akir angle to make Draj less "South American Cultural Stand In" and crank the fantasy dial on it hard, playing up the use of local animals and materials rather than it being handwavey stuff. Keltis: Stepping toward becoming an Avangion, freshly back from his latest "Gone for multiple years" avangion step... The cities of Kurn are probably in some significant disarray. I wonder if his Templars lose spellcasting ability while he's not on the Material Plane? It's an interesting question and one worth exploring in a setting where spellcasting can be yanked away from Paladins and Warlocks and such... Might have to explore that. Dregoth: Still Dead. Play up the horror/nightmare aspects of Giustenal and the Caller in Darkness. Night Terrors for the people exploring it, hallucinations, dreams, and of course real monsters thrown in so they don't know whether it's real or fake on any given pass. Hamanu: The Lion of Urik remains Borys' most steadfast ally. Uses his military power to enforce the Tithe to keep Rajaat contained, iron fist control over the various outlying villages, but still more caring toward his people than most Sorcerer-Kings. Gonna be quick to pop Tectuktitlay's bubble when it comes to conquering the western Tablelands, possibly make him into a Stabilizing Force in the region. Not -nice-, but not the abjectly evil villain he could be if he tried. Abalach-Re: Downplay the "Sinister Sexuality and Vanity" angle because cripes that is just awful and really indicative of how certain people envision women with power. The woman was a military tactician and rival to Hamanu who -survived- being his military rival. She's the one who realized Dregoth was a threat and organized his assassination! She ain't just a pretty face in diaphanous silks. Probably have her being chased out of Raam by Dregoth as a big storyline component for the setting and make his failed vengeance on her a -thing-. Nibenay: Still thinking of doing the trans angle on Nibs. Canonically the Templars of Nibenay are all women, but what if they're all women because Nibenay supports trans rights and only has women of every stripe as Templars? Beyond that there's not a ton known about The Shadow King so there's tons of room to do some design. Yeah, I know the concern people have about making a canonical villain trans person, the key is to have trans people who are good in various other parts of the setting so that being trans isn't equivalent to being evil it's just a function of a character's identity. Y'know... like reality. Andropinis: Playing up the Democratically Elected Sorcerer-King angle -hard-. Create an ineffectual bureaucracy of elected officials and allow people's conflicting hopes to keep the city-state at a standstill and unable to oppose their King. Lots of talk about "Changing things from the Inside" without it ever actually happening. Scapegoats and Fall Guys all over. Very Roman in style, I think, as regards things like social norms and law. Very big on the WAY. Forces his patricians to be deaf, blind, and mute so they use the Way to survive. Interesting angles to go with, there... "Seeing Eye Slaves" that the Patricians use as a 'Scrying' option? Not 100% how to handle it. Daskinor: Really not sure -how- to update this one. The character is a paranoid and delusional character who sees enemies everywhere he looks and fears a mysterious "Them". The Them in question could be the Veiled Alliance, another Sorcerer-King, or just some random slave or citizen on the streets of Eldaarich. Maybe I could play up a Templar-Controlled city angle with an ineffectual king that they use as a figurehead for their control over the town, wherein their oaths to him are not so strong as other Templars because his will and whims are so drastic they routinely lose spellcasting ability? Could be fun. Lalali-Puy: I love the Green Goddess angle. The idea of striving toward redemption and also toward gaslighting the crap out of her own people as a way to get the adulation -now- rather than a thousand years from now. Because even if she's trying to work toward redemption she's still not a great person... Not yet, at least. I definitely codified some of that into the class document with her Templar Oath and the Archfey Patron position. I think I'm going to run with it. Sielba: Still dead. Her holdings largely transferred to Borys and Hamanu... Maybe have her spirit haunting the place Yaramuke was, out of a refusal to pass on and decay in the Gray? Not an Alternate Dregoth, per se, but a different undead Sorcerer-King who is actively ineffectual because all her people are dead... but who -could- empower a Templar if one came to her... interesting ideas. Kalid-Ma: This one... this one could be interesting. We -know- that the Sorcerer-Kings can not only die, but have their power and immortality given to others. Hamanu, after all, was just Manu of Dece before he killed the previous Champion and Slayer of Trolls Myron. Traditionally, Kalid-Ma goes into a torporous sleep when his High Priestess Thakok-An attempts to force his ascension to Dragonhood with the life-force of Kalidnay itself, and she becomes a Dark Lord of a Ravenloft Domain. But Kalidnay isn't in Van Richten's guide... So what if she unintentionally -took- his Status as Sorcerer-King through her ritual? What if Kalid-Ma is dead and Thakok-An of Kalidnay is the new Sorcerer-King. That would give us 3 living female Sorcerer Kings, plus a ghost. And then 6 male ones, though one is a madman no more in control of his community than the average slave and another is a Dracolich. So it's more like 4 and 4 if you count Sielba and Dregoth as Undead Sorcerer-Kings. Deep thoughts... You're gonna -love- this... [URL='https://homebrewery.naturalcrit.com/share/sMYdryhqFjVK']Dark Sun: Athasian Classes - The Homebrewery[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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