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<blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 7600314" data-attributes="member: 5142"><p>Since the playtest we do have more information. We have seen more. There is an Oblivion Oath campaign on led by Jason Bulmahn using the upcoming PF2 rules that you can watch on YouTube. Post-Playtest versions of PF2 have also been played in various conventions and expos. There have also been comments made by Paizo employees on the website, including clarifications of those campaign streams. </p><p></p><p>It seems unreasonable to expect that Paizo would have a blog post where they sh*t talk their own past products and work. (Paizo would have learned to do that from WotC's mistake when promoting 4E by trash talking 3E. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />) I think that at the end of the day, they are still proud of their work with PF1. That does not mean that they are unaware of its issues, especially when you read between the lines of the blog posts and the changes in PF2. But the language will not be couched in negativity about the 3E/PF1 system but, rather, on focusing on the positive changes that PF2 will make. If their lack of posts trashtalking their own product does not satisfy you, then we indeed have no common ground for further discussion though that does not mean that your concerns are unheeded. </p><p></p><p>Warning: I would also add that just because 5E made what you feel are improvements to what you regard as problems does not mean A) everyone shares in that belief that they are problems, and B) that everyone who views these issues as problems agrees on what serves as the best "solution," such that C) 5E did not necessarily have the best solution, or D) that Paizo should feel compelled to incorporate 5E's approach. </p><p></p><p>So what kind of changes regarding LFQW do we know about in PF2? Spellcasters have less spells. Spellcasters cast their spells at a higher level for power scaling. Spellcasting linked more tightly to the per round three action economy. Greater concentration/buff restrictions, requiring an action to maintain. Spells have been beefed up from their playtest version, but they were supposedly underperforming to many playtesters. Magical rituals exist and linked to the Arcana skill (initially sounds very 4E). But we also know that a number of non-spellcasters are getting various buffs. </p><p></p><p>Regarding DM monster prep and such. Others and I have already repeatedly told you that statements from Paizo have indicated that this will be more akin to how it is in Starfinder, which is an approach that has been well-received by Paizo's fans. I have also not heard (or recall) any complaints about the difficulty of preparing PF2 by DMs.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aldarc, post: 7600314, member: 5142"] Since the playtest we do have more information. We have seen more. There is an Oblivion Oath campaign on led by Jason Bulmahn using the upcoming PF2 rules that you can watch on YouTube. Post-Playtest versions of PF2 have also been played in various conventions and expos. There have also been comments made by Paizo employees on the website, including clarifications of those campaign streams. It seems unreasonable to expect that Paizo would have a blog post where they sh*t talk their own past products and work. (Paizo would have learned to do that from WotC's mistake when promoting 4E by trash talking 3E. ;)) I think that at the end of the day, they are still proud of their work with PF1. That does not mean that they are unaware of its issues, especially when you read between the lines of the blog posts and the changes in PF2. But the language will not be couched in negativity about the 3E/PF1 system but, rather, on focusing on the positive changes that PF2 will make. If their lack of posts trashtalking their own product does not satisfy you, then we indeed have no common ground for further discussion though that does not mean that your concerns are unheeded. Warning: I would also add that just because 5E made what you feel are improvements to what you regard as problems does not mean A) everyone shares in that belief that they are problems, and B) that everyone who views these issues as problems agrees on what serves as the best "solution," such that C) 5E did not necessarily have the best solution, or D) that Paizo should feel compelled to incorporate 5E's approach. So what kind of changes regarding LFQW do we know about in PF2? Spellcasters have less spells. Spellcasters cast their spells at a higher level for power scaling. Spellcasting linked more tightly to the per round three action economy. Greater concentration/buff restrictions, requiring an action to maintain. Spells have been beefed up from their playtest version, but they were supposedly underperforming to many playtesters. Magical rituals exist and linked to the Arcana skill (initially sounds very 4E). But we also know that a number of non-spellcasters are getting various buffs. Regarding DM monster prep and such. Others and I have already repeatedly told you that statements from Paizo have indicated that this will be more akin to how it is in Starfinder, which is an approach that has been well-received by Paizo's fans. I have also not heard (or recall) any complaints about the difficulty of preparing PF2 by DMs. [/QUOTE]
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