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<blockquote data-quote="Zjelani" data-source="post: 2519533" data-attributes="member: 2919"><p>Huh, I can't seem to find it now on the Bastion site. Anyway, I think something similiar came out in one of advanced books or somewhere, but I'm not sure.</p><p></p><p>Either way, to keep the thread hijack to a minimum, it's pretty simple:</p><p></p><p>* You don't have to aply metamagic effects ahead of time. (I suppose you still could if you want to).</p><p></p><p>* Instead, with the first metamagic feat you select, you get 2 uses per day (I suppose 3 wouldn't hurt, or you could make it scale with level even 1 to 5 = 1 use, 6 to 10 = 2 uses, etc. Having it modified by ability bonus sounded good at first, but could be easily overpowering, I think). </p><p></p><p>* Each time you select a new metamagic feat, you get 1 additional metamagic use per day. These can be applied to any of your metamagic feats, so you could spread them out, or use 1 metamagic feat several times. (In our Eberron campaign, I also let them burn an action point to gain another use that day.)</p><p></p><p>* You can still only use the metamagic feat on spells lower than your max. For example, if you wanted to Empower a spell (+2 spell level adjustment) and can only cast up to 5th level spells, then you can only Empower spells of 3rd level or lower (max spell level minus adjustment). The spell still uses up the normal slot. You just can't apply it to your highest level spells.</p><p></p><p>I'm pretty sure that's it in a nutshell. Our group NEVER used metamagic before, and only took the feats for prestige class requirements. Not saying the existing mechanic is bad, it just never caught on with our group for whatever reason. This new variant is actually getting used by them now and doesn't seem abusive so far.</p><p></p><p>So, anyway, hijack over. If anyone wants to discuss it further or has questions, start up a new thread.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zjelani, post: 2519533, member: 2919"] Huh, I can't seem to find it now on the Bastion site. Anyway, I think something similiar came out in one of advanced books or somewhere, but I'm not sure. Either way, to keep the thread hijack to a minimum, it's pretty simple: * You don't have to aply metamagic effects ahead of time. (I suppose you still could if you want to). * Instead, with the first metamagic feat you select, you get 2 uses per day (I suppose 3 wouldn't hurt, or you could make it scale with level even 1 to 5 = 1 use, 6 to 10 = 2 uses, etc. Having it modified by ability bonus sounded good at first, but could be easily overpowering, I think). * Each time you select a new metamagic feat, you get 1 additional metamagic use per day. These can be applied to any of your metamagic feats, so you could spread them out, or use 1 metamagic feat several times. (In our Eberron campaign, I also let them burn an action point to gain another use that day.) * You can still only use the metamagic feat on spells lower than your max. For example, if you wanted to Empower a spell (+2 spell level adjustment) and can only cast up to 5th level spells, then you can only Empower spells of 3rd level or lower (max spell level minus adjustment). The spell still uses up the normal slot. You just can't apply it to your highest level spells. I'm pretty sure that's it in a nutshell. Our group NEVER used metamagic before, and only took the feats for prestige class requirements. Not saying the existing mechanic is bad, it just never caught on with our group for whatever reason. This new variant is actually getting used by them now and doesn't seem abusive so far. So, anyway, hijack over. If anyone wants to discuss it further or has questions, start up a new thread. [/QUOTE]
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