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<blockquote data-quote="Emirikol" data-source="post: 2519810" data-attributes="member: 10638"><p>1. ELIMINATION of the distinction between divine, arcane, bard, paladin, assassin, psionic magic. Magic is magic is magic is magic. Why have 3+ systems for such a simple concept?</p><p></p><p>2. I'd like to see the variety of spells reduced with more options PER SPELL as you increase in level in one spell description. </p><p>* For example, FIREBALLS. Fireball, delayed blast fireball... ACID MISSILES: acid arrow, acid splash. CHARM PERSON: charm person, charm monster; CURE: Cure light wounds...ad repeatum. </p><p></p><p>3. Keep the current spell system and make "SPELL POINT" an optional system that goes in the book that contains all the useless high-level spells that nobody ever uses.</p><p></p><p>4. INCREASE the number of core classes to about 30 -> by making prestige classes optional FROM LEVEL 1 instead of the stupid rube goldberg system it currently is.</p><p></p><p>5. Get rid of the 3-18 system and go with simple plusses and minuses. The number and the bonus just adds a layer of obsolete nonsense.</p><p></p><p>6. Reduce the number of skills and make the 'thief' skills feats instead (e.g. 'pick pockets'). make skills a LOT SIMPLER. Right now it's a math-y waste of time system for something that rarely gets used by characters past 5th level.</p><p></p><p>7. Go to a d4 system (not that stupid d6 system) instead of d20 (just kidding all-around)</p><p></p><p>8. Find out what the 'dogma' of D&D is that is holding it back from being a better system and banish all of it's followers so we can move on.</p><p></p><p>9. REQUIRE that anything that appears in Dragon to be 'official' material.</p><p></p><p>10. Either have decent NPC classes or just have one NPC class. Anything else is stupid redundancy.</p><p></p><p>11. Use the word 'stupid' a lot to describe things. I like that word, 'stupid.'</p><p></p><p>12. More artwork that people will remember for a lifetime</p><p></p><p>13. Put out a computer character generation system that actually WORKS. Maybe, huh, that if you can't even get a computer to work your system, there's something a little too complex about the system eh?</p><p></p><p>14. A brief and intendely not-humorus rant on points follows: Go with a completely point based system [not] so that people who are hung up on point systems can completely detail their characters over a 45 day period with points from everything about how many points it takes to take a lshat each morning to how many points you need to make your long-point-sword long enough to have more points than a short-point-sword and that the points are spent in the right point categories so that it isn't a point-mace because you spent the wrong points. And add a point system for spells thats so munchkinized that first level characters can cast disintegrate and regenerate thier points(based on a point-based regeneration point system that is pointedly pointed). I LOVE POINT SYSTEMS SOOO MUCH! Point me in the right direction! Make sure that I don't even have to roll dice. Just give me a handful of points I can throw on the table so that I can make my point to my friends about how points are my life and I just want points poured all over me like in that movie American Beauty. I want points thrown at my wedding and I named my dog points and I purchased him based on the frequent flyer points I had left after checking the points on my credit card. POINTS! Can you tell I love points? Huh, huh [frothing at the mouth]. OK RANT OFF. BTW, no offense to you guys who like point systems. They have their usage in the equipment purchasing section and I don't mind a spell-point or ability-buy system..although I prefer quicker ways.</p><p></p><p>15. Make psionics core, because now that it's part of ONE MAGIC SYSTEM, it's just a different way of utilizing it. DM's won't have to be any more confused about that than they do about 'bard singing magic.'</p><p></p><p>16. Team up with GW or WW to make a world with some depth.</p><p></p><p>17. Maybe change the OGL license so that companies aren't allowed to saturate the market with utter crap.</p><p></p><p>jh</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>..</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Emirikol, post: 2519810, member: 10638"] 1. ELIMINATION of the distinction between divine, arcane, bard, paladin, assassin, psionic magic. Magic is magic is magic is magic. Why have 3+ systems for such a simple concept? 2. I'd like to see the variety of spells reduced with more options PER SPELL as you increase in level in one spell description. * For example, FIREBALLS. Fireball, delayed blast fireball... ACID MISSILES: acid arrow, acid splash. CHARM PERSON: charm person, charm monster; CURE: Cure light wounds...ad repeatum. 3. Keep the current spell system and make "SPELL POINT" an optional system that goes in the book that contains all the useless high-level spells that nobody ever uses. 4. INCREASE the number of core classes to about 30 -> by making prestige classes optional FROM LEVEL 1 instead of the stupid rube goldberg system it currently is. 5. Get rid of the 3-18 system and go with simple plusses and minuses. The number and the bonus just adds a layer of obsolete nonsense. 6. Reduce the number of skills and make the 'thief' skills feats instead (e.g. 'pick pockets'). make skills a LOT SIMPLER. Right now it's a math-y waste of time system for something that rarely gets used by characters past 5th level. 7. Go to a d4 system (not that stupid d6 system) instead of d20 (just kidding all-around) 8. Find out what the 'dogma' of D&D is that is holding it back from being a better system and banish all of it's followers so we can move on. 9. REQUIRE that anything that appears in Dragon to be 'official' material. 10. Either have decent NPC classes or just have one NPC class. Anything else is stupid redundancy. 11. Use the word 'stupid' a lot to describe things. I like that word, 'stupid.' 12. More artwork that people will remember for a lifetime 13. Put out a computer character generation system that actually WORKS. Maybe, huh, that if you can't even get a computer to work your system, there's something a little too complex about the system eh? 14. A brief and intendely not-humorus rant on points follows: Go with a completely point based system [not] so that people who are hung up on point systems can completely detail their characters over a 45 day period with points from everything about how many points it takes to take a lshat each morning to how many points you need to make your long-point-sword long enough to have more points than a short-point-sword and that the points are spent in the right point categories so that it isn't a point-mace because you spent the wrong points. And add a point system for spells thats so munchkinized that first level characters can cast disintegrate and regenerate thier points(based on a point-based regeneration point system that is pointedly pointed). I LOVE POINT SYSTEMS SOOO MUCH! Point me in the right direction! Make sure that I don't even have to roll dice. Just give me a handful of points I can throw on the table so that I can make my point to my friends about how points are my life and I just want points poured all over me like in that movie American Beauty. I want points thrown at my wedding and I named my dog points and I purchased him based on the frequent flyer points I had left after checking the points on my credit card. POINTS! Can you tell I love points? Huh, huh [frothing at the mouth]. OK RANT OFF. BTW, no offense to you guys who like point systems. They have their usage in the equipment purchasing section and I don't mind a spell-point or ability-buy system..although I prefer quicker ways. 15. Make psionics core, because now that it's part of ONE MAGIC SYSTEM, it's just a different way of utilizing it. DM's won't have to be any more confused about that than they do about 'bard singing magic.' 16. Team up with GW or WW to make a world with some depth. 17. Maybe change the OGL license so that companies aren't allowed to saturate the market with utter crap. jh .. [/QUOTE]
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