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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 8412770" data-attributes="member: 6704184"><p>My Class section:</p><p></p><p>Keep all classes except as noted below. All classes get a pass with a mind toward telling a story. What ribbons and other features can be added, without restricting PCs so no "no metal armor" type stuff, that helps the class feel like it's intended primary concept. Also make more room in subclasses for this sort of thing. </p><p>All classes gain the Tasha's optional features as base features.</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Cleric renamed Priest, loses most armor and weapon proficiencies, gains abilities that model the idea of a blessed person who can walk through a raging battle without any weapons finding them. <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Gains ability to Turn regular folks, allies gain buff or heal whenever the Priest uses channel divinity, based on domains. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Gains cantrip that tags with radiant damage and gives allies bonus to hit tagged enemy as the enemy sheds bright light. Basically cantrip version of guiding bolt. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Also gains a cantrip flavored around speaking The Word or whatever, which hurts enemies and helps allies, and does extra against extraplanar critters, undead, aberrations.</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Fighter loses Action Surge and Indomitable and gets Heroic Actions (basically legendary action X/day where X=number of attacks per attack action x number of uses of Action Surge) and Indomitable Resistance (legendary resistance). Heroic Actions can be used as extra reactions. <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">At a certain level, a fighter's weapon attacks bypass resistence to nonmagical attacks. Not count as magical, they just bypass the resistence, flat out. The difference is mostly thematic, not mechanical.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Superiority Dice get renamed and made part of the base class, but manuevers are still a Battlemaster thing. Other fighters just use them to increase damage. Battlemaster's dice scale faster, and they get more than other fighters. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Champion gets a pass to add a strong feature and a ribbon, at least, to level 3 and 7. Somewhere in there is a lead-by-impressing-people themed feature that is useful in and out of combat.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Fighting style improvements of various kinds.</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Rogue mostly stays the same, gains the ability to use bonus action to set up reaction attack, themed as a feint.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Uncanny Dodge no longer uses a reaction, last until start of rogue's next turn, still 1/round.</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Jack</strong>new class, steals Jack of All Trades from Bard, built from the ground up to be the non-magical, non-rogue, expert.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Archetypes include Sage, non-magical inventor, acrobat/athlete, non-magical martial artist possibly if that doesn't end up in the fighter. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Great helper. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Gains special uses of tools, in the vein of the stuff from xanathar's. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Obviously several rounds of iteration and development, but the concept is solid.</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Captain</strong> new class, lead by example, good warrior and good at coordinating tactics with other PCs. I made a whole thread developing the concept as a Marshal, IIRC. Basically, that.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Monk </strong>renamed Mystic or Ascetic. Leans into the mystical/esoteric nature of the concept, broadens it dramatically in a cultural inspiration context, and in terms of capability. Solicit feedback and suggestions from POC creators and sensitivity consultants, all below ideas negotiable in that context. The mundane martial artist lives in a mundane class, rather than all martial arts belonging to the mystic martial artist class. <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Ki renamed Focus</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Choose between Int or Wis for your "focus ability modifier", support strength builds. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Perhaps AC is 10+proficiency bonus+Int or Wis or something. Or maybe just like 13+Focus ability modifier with a bonus at level XYZ to scale it as if you were getting better armor and eventually magic armor. Make this the model for all Unarmored Defense, instead of making it rely on Dex.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Possibly gains limited list of fighting styles</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">can use armor</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Weapon list expanded in most subclasses</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Add several Focus abilities, such as a feat of strength, ignoring extreme temperature for several hours or longer, holding breath for hours at a time, other exagerated versions of things mythic/mystic warriors in various cultures are said to be able to do. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">No base class feature is off limits, but the finished product can be used with existing monk subclasses, exchanging ki for focus. Rewrite the most popular monk subclasses as mystic orders, but really rewrite them to make sure they aren't all East Asian, and that East Asian consultants and writers have primary voice in their lore and execution.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">At least one entirely new subclass, exploring either a European esoteric or mystic warrior like the hermetic swordmasters of Renaissance Europe or something like the Irish Fianna, perhaps even the Norse animal cult warriors, or a South Asian or African tradition. Future Mystic Orders would have inspiration around the world.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Bring the Swordmage into 5e DnD via this class. Perhaps replacing the 4 elements monk, but regardless it <em>is</em> the fantasy esoteric scholarly warrior archetype, so this is where it belongs.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">All spellcasting subclasses are costed at 1 Focus/spell level</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Can regain a scaling amount of focus X/day as an action</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Ranger</strong> get's less of an overhaul than monk, but more than most others. <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Keeps spell slots, but can choose between learning spells and preparing them, and gaining non-spell uses of those spell slots.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Can use spell slots to power exploration themed abilities that have combat and out of combat applications, ranging from poultices and the like, to "give X creatures bonus to Y activity using skill you're proficient in" type stuff (pass without trace but smaller bonus and for a variety of tasks, chosen when you spend the spell slot), to stuff like "troll's gift" style poisons. You still learn spells if you gain them from subclass or choose them as part of a later feature that lets you choose between spells and non-spell features, or a feat, or whatever, and can cast them with your spell slots.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Some of the non-spell features can buff a single ally, with an eye toward turning spell slots into a stronger pet for Beastmasters.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Natural Explorer gives a feature that is useful in most enviroments, and eats deft explorer from Tashas whole</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Favored enemy straight up eats the level 3 ability of the Hunter Ranger, and expands on it a bit. Still gains the rest of favored enemy.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Bring Vanish down to tier 1 or 2.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Add Nature's Veil to Hide In Plain Sight</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Primal Awareness folded into Primeval Awareness, which is made less clunky and bad.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Feral Senses drops down to level 14, possibly adds some aragorn in the movies level tracking stuff, though maybe that becomes part of Primeval Awareness</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Foe Slayer drops to level 18</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Capstone feature becomes something on the level of rogue subclass capstones.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Beastmaster pet just gets it's own turn. It's simpler. Put the Tasha's Beast of XYZ stats in the PHB.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Beastmaster pet can change between forms, like a familiar. Basically is a familiar that can wreck house.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Add BM pet forms, including a mount form</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Druid</strong> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Wildshape gains some alternate uses like regaining spell slots and calling a spirit to hold concentration for you, dramatically alter the terrain, etc. Some are level gated, some aren't.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Wildshape classic gains better beast forms via Beast Of The Whatever shapes with an expanded list that covers things like "pack hunter" and "big ol' beefy chonkin' tank-bear" and you can choose whether it's land or water based when you wildshape.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Add plant and monstrosity shapes, similar to Summon XYZ spells where you choose between two forms within the statblock. Dryad/Teant, owlbear/displacer beast, etc.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Add spirit forms</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">base class gains new ability to call spirits, gain information from them, etc</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">no armor restriction, or gains unarmored defense, or both</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Psion</strong> idk man I'd just do a lot of playtesting until I get a good one</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Warlock </strong>mostly small changes, more pact boons, make some invocations work for multiple cantrips, pact of the blade would take a ranged attack cantrip you know and make it a weapon attack. Gain an X/day ability to regain a spell slot as an action.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Archer</strong> it's weird to me that dnd has never had this as a class, and I'll die on this hill</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Assassin</strong> though maybe this could live in the new mystic, but the concept has at least as much room for exploration as the ranger, barbarian, bard, paladin, cleric, druid, etc.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Artificer</strong> added to the list, with more infusions and with expanded spellcasting via other features<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Spell-storing item moved down to tier 2 in a limited form (like proficiency mod uses at most)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">New Great Infusion feature gives Artificers greater spellcasting as 1/day class features, and goes up to level 9 spells. You don't use spell slots for these, you gain 1 of each spell level, ever, and you can use each one once per day.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Can use spell slots, uses of spell-storing item, and Greater Infusion uses, to recharge magic items. Limited by spell level and some caveats about what you can recharge. </li> </ul></li> </ul><p>Most of the rest of the chapter would be the same as the PHB.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 8412770, member: 6704184"] My Class section: Keep all classes except as noted below. All classes get a pass with a mind toward telling a story. What ribbons and other features can be added, without restricting PCs so no "no metal armor" type stuff, that helps the class feel like it's intended primary concept. Also make more room in subclasses for this sort of thing. All classes gain the Tasha's optional features as base features. [LIST] [*]Cleric renamed Priest, loses most armor and weapon proficiencies, gains abilities that model the idea of a blessed person who can walk through a raging battle without any weapons finding them. [LIST] [*]Gains ability to Turn regular folks, allies gain buff or heal whenever the Priest uses channel divinity, based on domains. [*]Gains cantrip that tags with radiant damage and gives allies bonus to hit tagged enemy as the enemy sheds bright light. Basically cantrip version of guiding bolt. [*]Also gains a cantrip flavored around speaking The Word or whatever, which hurts enemies and helps allies, and does extra against extraplanar critters, undead, aberrations. [/LIST] [*]Fighter loses Action Surge and Indomitable and gets Heroic Actions (basically legendary action X/day where X=number of attacks per attack action x number of uses of Action Surge) and Indomitable Resistance (legendary resistance). Heroic Actions can be used as extra reactions. [LIST] [*]At a certain level, a fighter's weapon attacks bypass resistence to nonmagical attacks. Not count as magical, they just bypass the resistence, flat out. The difference is mostly thematic, not mechanical. [*]Superiority Dice get renamed and made part of the base class, but manuevers are still a Battlemaster thing. Other fighters just use them to increase damage. Battlemaster's dice scale faster, and they get more than other fighters. [*]Champion gets a pass to add a strong feature and a ribbon, at least, to level 3 and 7. Somewhere in there is a lead-by-impressing-people themed feature that is useful in and out of combat. [*]Fighting style improvements of various kinds. [/LIST] [*]Rogue mostly stays the same, gains the ability to use bonus action to set up reaction attack, themed as a feint. [LIST] [*]Uncanny Dodge no longer uses a reaction, last until start of rogue's next turn, still 1/round. [/LIST] [*][B]Jack[/B]new class, steals Jack of All Trades from Bard, built from the ground up to be the non-magical, non-rogue, expert. [LIST] [*] Archetypes include Sage, non-magical inventor, acrobat/athlete, non-magical martial artist possibly if that doesn't end up in the fighter. [*]Great helper. [*]Gains special uses of tools, in the vein of the stuff from xanathar's. [*]Obviously several rounds of iteration and development, but the concept is solid. [/LIST] [*][B]Captain[/B] new class, lead by example, good warrior and good at coordinating tactics with other PCs. I made a whole thread developing the concept as a Marshal, IIRC. Basically, that. [*][B]Monk [/B]renamed Mystic or Ascetic. Leans into the mystical/esoteric nature of the concept, broadens it dramatically in a cultural inspiration context, and in terms of capability. Solicit feedback and suggestions from POC creators and sensitivity consultants, all below ideas negotiable in that context. The mundane martial artist lives in a mundane class, rather than all martial arts belonging to the mystic martial artist class. [LIST] [*]Ki renamed Focus [*]Choose between Int or Wis for your "focus ability modifier", support strength builds. [*]Perhaps AC is 10+proficiency bonus+Int or Wis or something. Or maybe just like 13+Focus ability modifier with a bonus at level XYZ to scale it as if you were getting better armor and eventually magic armor. Make this the model for all Unarmored Defense, instead of making it rely on Dex. [*]Possibly gains limited list of fighting styles [*]can use armor [*]Weapon list expanded in most subclasses [*]Add several Focus abilities, such as a feat of strength, ignoring extreme temperature for several hours or longer, holding breath for hours at a time, other exagerated versions of things mythic/mystic warriors in various cultures are said to be able to do. [*]No base class feature is off limits, but the finished product can be used with existing monk subclasses, exchanging ki for focus. Rewrite the most popular monk subclasses as mystic orders, but really rewrite them to make sure they aren't all East Asian, and that East Asian consultants and writers have primary voice in their lore and execution. [*]At least one entirely new subclass, exploring either a European esoteric or mystic warrior like the hermetic swordmasters of Renaissance Europe or something like the Irish Fianna, perhaps even the Norse animal cult warriors, or a South Asian or African tradition. Future Mystic Orders would have inspiration around the world. [*]Bring the Swordmage into 5e DnD via this class. Perhaps replacing the 4 elements monk, but regardless it [I]is[/I] the fantasy esoteric scholarly warrior archetype, so this is where it belongs. [*]All spellcasting subclasses are costed at 1 Focus/spell level [*]Can regain a scaling amount of focus X/day as an action [/LIST] [*][B]Ranger[/B] get's less of an overhaul than monk, but more than most others. [LIST] [*]Keeps spell slots, but can choose between learning spells and preparing them, and gaining non-spell uses of those spell slots. [*]Can use spell slots to power exploration themed abilities that have combat and out of combat applications, ranging from poultices and the like, to "give X creatures bonus to Y activity using skill you're proficient in" type stuff (pass without trace but smaller bonus and for a variety of tasks, chosen when you spend the spell slot), to stuff like "troll's gift" style poisons. You still learn spells if you gain them from subclass or choose them as part of a later feature that lets you choose between spells and non-spell features, or a feat, or whatever, and can cast them with your spell slots. [*]Some of the non-spell features can buff a single ally, with an eye toward turning spell slots into a stronger pet for Beastmasters. [*]Natural Explorer gives a feature that is useful in most enviroments, and eats deft explorer from Tashas whole [*]Favored enemy straight up eats the level 3 ability of the Hunter Ranger, and expands on it a bit. Still gains the rest of favored enemy. [*]Bring Vanish down to tier 1 or 2. [*]Add Nature's Veil to Hide In Plain Sight [*]Primal Awareness folded into Primeval Awareness, which is made less clunky and bad. [*]Feral Senses drops down to level 14, possibly adds some aragorn in the movies level tracking stuff, though maybe that becomes part of Primeval Awareness [*]Foe Slayer drops to level 18 [*]Capstone feature becomes something on the level of rogue subclass capstones. [*]Beastmaster pet just gets it's own turn. It's simpler. Put the Tasha's Beast of XYZ stats in the PHB. [*]Beastmaster pet can change between forms, like a familiar. Basically is a familiar that can wreck house. [*]Add BM pet forms, including a mount form [/LIST] [*][B]Druid[/B] [LIST] [*]Wildshape gains some alternate uses like regaining spell slots and calling a spirit to hold concentration for you, dramatically alter the terrain, etc. Some are level gated, some aren't. [*]Wildshape classic gains better beast forms via Beast Of The Whatever shapes with an expanded list that covers things like "pack hunter" and "big ol' beefy chonkin' tank-bear" and you can choose whether it's land or water based when you wildshape. [*]Add plant and monstrosity shapes, similar to Summon XYZ spells where you choose between two forms within the statblock. Dryad/Teant, owlbear/displacer beast, etc. [*]Add spirit forms [*]base class gains new ability to call spirits, gain information from them, etc [*]no armor restriction, or gains unarmored defense, or both [/LIST] [*][B]Psion[/B] idk man I'd just do a lot of playtesting until I get a good one [*][B]Warlock [/B]mostly small changes, more pact boons, make some invocations work for multiple cantrips, pact of the blade would take a ranged attack cantrip you know and make it a weapon attack. Gain an X/day ability to regain a spell slot as an action. [*][B]Archer[/B] it's weird to me that dnd has never had this as a class, and I'll die on this hill [*][B]Assassin[/B] though maybe this could live in the new mystic, but the concept has at least as much room for exploration as the ranger, barbarian, bard, paladin, cleric, druid, etc. [*][B]Artificer[/B] added to the list, with more infusions and with expanded spellcasting via other features [LIST] [*]Spell-storing item moved down to tier 2 in a limited form (like proficiency mod uses at most) [*]New Great Infusion feature gives Artificers greater spellcasting as 1/day class features, and goes up to level 9 spells. You don't use spell slots for these, you gain 1 of each spell level, ever, and you can use each one once per day. [*]Can use spell slots, uses of spell-storing item, and Greater Infusion uses, to recharge magic items. Limited by spell level and some caveats about what you can recharge. [/LIST] [/LIST] Most of the rest of the chapter would be the same as the PHB. [/QUOTE]
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