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<blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 8420803" data-attributes="member: 6689464"><p>Ok, granted in a world where society is so developed and magic so advanced that it can be distilled to the equivalent of high school science 101, wizards will be plenty among the working classes. On a standard feudal/medieval fantasy? not so many. </p><p></p><p>And again, we go back to the point where the rich can afford the best schools, the best tutors, the best materials and to open set up their own shops. </p><p></p><p>The thing is that a wizard apprenticehsip takes way more time and it is way more expensive than learning a trade. And unlike a master artisan who could always use more hands to produce, a wizard doesn't seem to have so much use for one.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't know, what exactly do the wizards win by gaining an apprentice by force? there is nothing they get from an apprentice that they couldn't gain from an untrained slave. Even if this is convenient to the wizard, Wizard spellcasting is entirely a voluntary act. Nothing stops an escaped apprentice from burning the book and going back to a normal life where they don't need to fear persecution. </p><p> </p><p>In fact, persecution will only make it more likely the powerful learn it. The rich and the powerful have not only the resources to train wizards, but to conceal the training is happening and to be secretive about it. Historically, powerful people get away with crimes and illegal things that nobody else can, many times even openly. I can see a noble family using magic without fear while the masses get killed on the mere suspicion. </p><p></p><p>Now, sorcerers living in a society that hunts magic users are SOL. Unlike being a wizard, being a sorcerer isn't an active choice, or a choice period. And given that it is a happenstance, more sorcerers are bound to belong to a lower class than to a rich one. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Hi Steeldragons! Long time we don't interact! </p><p></p><p>The fun thing about the sorcerer is precisely that! That we don't need to care where the magic is coming from, just that it is there and isn't going away! And we could care if we wanted to, but we don't need to!</p><p></p><p>More seriously, are you aware that sorcerer has only like 6-7 subclasses tops? (We haven't even touched obvious concepts like the cosmic/star sorcerer from 4e or an explicit elementalist without the dragon baggage ) And well, with the sorcerer the monster manual isn't the limit, but the dictionary! I could easily think of many sorcerers associated to everything under the sun and beyond: sorcerers of dreams, of metal, of fabric, of bunnies!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MoonSong, post: 8420803, member: 6689464"] Ok, granted in a world where society is so developed and magic so advanced that it can be distilled to the equivalent of high school science 101, wizards will be plenty among the working classes. On a standard feudal/medieval fantasy? not so many. And again, we go back to the point where the rich can afford the best schools, the best tutors, the best materials and to open set up their own shops. The thing is that a wizard apprenticehsip takes way more time and it is way more expensive than learning a trade. And unlike a master artisan who could always use more hands to produce, a wizard doesn't seem to have so much use for one. I don't know, what exactly do the wizards win by gaining an apprentice by force? there is nothing they get from an apprentice that they couldn't gain from an untrained slave. Even if this is convenient to the wizard, Wizard spellcasting is entirely a voluntary act. Nothing stops an escaped apprentice from burning the book and going back to a normal life where they don't need to fear persecution. In fact, persecution will only make it more likely the powerful learn it. The rich and the powerful have not only the resources to train wizards, but to conceal the training is happening and to be secretive about it. Historically, powerful people get away with crimes and illegal things that nobody else can, many times even openly. I can see a noble family using magic without fear while the masses get killed on the mere suspicion. Now, sorcerers living in a society that hunts magic users are SOL. Unlike being a wizard, being a sorcerer isn't an active choice, or a choice period. And given that it is a happenstance, more sorcerers are bound to belong to a lower class than to a rich one. Hi Steeldragons! Long time we don't interact! The fun thing about the sorcerer is precisely that! That we don't need to care where the magic is coming from, just that it is there and isn't going away! And we could care if we wanted to, but we don't need to! More seriously, are you aware that sorcerer has only like 6-7 subclasses tops? (We haven't even touched obvious concepts like the cosmic/star sorcerer from 4e or an explicit elementalist without the dragon baggage ) And well, with the sorcerer the monster manual isn't the limit, but the dictionary! I could easily think of many sorcerers associated to everything under the sun and beyond: sorcerers of dreams, of metal, of fabric, of bunnies! [/QUOTE]
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