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What's a good high-charisma build? Or, can Bards be useful?
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<blockquote data-quote="Avatar of the North" data-source="post: 1152797" data-attributes="member: 917"><p>Seems to me those Wizard 5/Pale master 1/Ur-priest 1/Contemplative 1/Mystic Theurge 9/(Arch mage or True Necromancer ) 3 are doing just fine to me with their 9th level arcane and 9th level divine spells. The true necromancer has a crazy caster level for necromancy or death domain spells (somethign in the area of caster level 37-39 for a 20th level character)</p><p></p><p>but as for Cha based characters. The following classes are nice for bonuses based on cha</p><p></p><p>Mystic Wander 1 - Glory of the Divine (Cha mod to ac as a sacred bonus)</p><p>Pirate of Freeport 1 - Reckless Abandon (Cha mod to ac as dodge bonus)</p><p>Arcane Dualist 2 - Apparent Defense (Cha mod to ac as an unnamed bonus)</p><p>Paladin 1 (2 in 3.5) - Divine Grace (cha mod to saves)</p><p>Soldier of Light 2 - Divine Grace (cha mod to saves)</p><p>Holy Liberator 2 - Divine Grace (cha mod to saves)</p><p>Witch Hunter 1 - Kami's Grace (Cha mod to saves)</p><p>Akodo Champion 2 - Ancestral Favor (Cha mod to saves)</p><p>Mysticism Domain (Prestige) - (Cha mod to saves)</p><p>Divine Might - spend turn attempt gain cha mod to dmg for cha mod rounds</p><p>Smite (something) -cha mod hit</p><p>--Akodo champion 2 - Smite Evil (Cha mod to hit, level to dmg)</p><p>--paladin smites</p><p>Iaijutsu Master 2 - Lightning Blade (Cha mod to init)</p><p></p><p>If you'd like the prereqs for any of those i'd be glad to dig that up as well.</p><p></p><p>Personally i'd find a Bard 10/Iaijutsu master 2 (or 5)/Paladin 3 (or when they get turn in 3.5)/Any class 5(or 2) to be interesting and crazy one that first hit due to Iaijutsu Focus+strike from the void.....no one ever said you had to STAY non-lawful as bards don't lose any abilities for becoming lawful</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Avatar of the North, post: 1152797, member: 917"] Seems to me those Wizard 5/Pale master 1/Ur-priest 1/Contemplative 1/Mystic Theurge 9/(Arch mage or True Necromancer ) 3 are doing just fine to me with their 9th level arcane and 9th level divine spells. The true necromancer has a crazy caster level for necromancy or death domain spells (somethign in the area of caster level 37-39 for a 20th level character) but as for Cha based characters. The following classes are nice for bonuses based on cha Mystic Wander 1 - Glory of the Divine (Cha mod to ac as a sacred bonus) Pirate of Freeport 1 - Reckless Abandon (Cha mod to ac as dodge bonus) Arcane Dualist 2 - Apparent Defense (Cha mod to ac as an unnamed bonus) Paladin 1 (2 in 3.5) - Divine Grace (cha mod to saves) Soldier of Light 2 - Divine Grace (cha mod to saves) Holy Liberator 2 - Divine Grace (cha mod to saves) Witch Hunter 1 - Kami's Grace (Cha mod to saves) Akodo Champion 2 - Ancestral Favor (Cha mod to saves) Mysticism Domain (Prestige) - (Cha mod to saves) Divine Might - spend turn attempt gain cha mod to dmg for cha mod rounds Smite (something) -cha mod hit --Akodo champion 2 - Smite Evil (Cha mod to hit, level to dmg) --paladin smites Iaijutsu Master 2 - Lightning Blade (Cha mod to init) If you'd like the prereqs for any of those i'd be glad to dig that up as well. Personally i'd find a Bard 10/Iaijutsu master 2 (or 5)/Paladin 3 (or when they get turn in 3.5)/Any class 5(or 2) to be interesting and crazy one that first hit due to Iaijutsu Focus+strike from the void.....no one ever said you had to STAY non-lawful as bards don't lose any abilities for becoming lawful [/QUOTE]
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