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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8866483" data-attributes="member: 67338">that is a good point. My understanding is that nobody makes that much... so they must mean revenue, and that is a major issue.Imagine again some magic world were I do a major kickstarter of one of my worlds/adventures and get $60,000 but that is for $100 per book where I will have to pay about $75 per book (spreading costs like art and editors over each book) that means that 3/4 of that money is gone day 1 just to get the books made (and that is before kickstarter takes a cut lets say that is included though) So I just made $15,000... but again that is just cost for book. If I put out any kind of stretch goal, lets say everyone gets a cute sticker... that eats into it too.I have not run a kickstarter, but I have worked with numbers for companies that make millions and ones that are 'mom and pop' and I have had to break it to people at every level that they can't afford to keep going with the profits they are making, because they are hemorrhaging money.The closest thing to TTRPG experience I have is a local gaming store (well 2 really and a comic shop that does it on the side) and both of the local gaming stores closed... both I tried to explain to the owners how little they were making and that income and profit are not even close to the same thing. I watched one of those ruin a marriage too.  And on the books the one that did the worst was making 'income' of $50,000+ it just was also costing that much or more.edit: totally outside of TTRPG I have a friend who has a micropress for novels... I have tried to help them with there books as favors (like 100% free not as my job) and they are okay with running at no profit or even minor losses some years as long as they can stay in print. It is 100% a side hustle and for reasons OTHER then profit, and they are selling there own novels to other publishers and they and there spouse work good paying jobs. I can't imagine having to explain the books to Hasbro (and make no mistake it's HASBRO) where I show "Yeah, we brought in $120,000 last year and $109,000 the year before that but we also had costs closer to $150,000 both years, and that was offset by the fact that the two years before that both had profit, and then the owner reinvested his own money and has never once taken a draw."</blockquote>

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