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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5058826" data-attributes="member: 957">I think my subjective assessment of "significant" is different.The races are very clearly boosted.  I'd quibble on whether or not they are +1 LA, but it is certainly more than it was.  And long before PF was ever thought of it was understood that LA races suffered to start with and only suffered more and more as they gained levels.  A 1st level +1 LA race running with a group of 2nd level normal races would be fine or even a bit up.  But by 6th or 7th level the perks of the race were being way outshined by the perks of the extra class level.  There were all kinds of buy-off systems floating around as ways to fix this flaw.  So if you put a party of 1st level PF races against a party of 1st level 3.5 core races, the PF party will probably have a small but very real advantage.  I wouldn't call it dominant.  But maybe something on the order of expected to win out 11 or 12 times out of 20, everything else being equal.Bump them up to 5th level and the advantage is gone.  They get a small boost at low levels exactly when they needed the boost and it fades away quickly.As to classes, some classes got a boost.  The bard for example.  While the druid is still at the top of the scale, I'd say the PF druid has been pulled down a notch compared to 3.5.  It is too early on for me to be completely certain, but I'd say that my actual experience to date is that the span between the weakest and strongest characters is less than it was in 3.5 and that the same challenges I was throwing at 3.5 parties have the same kinds of outcomes.I will agree that "waahoo" is a bit higher.  Fighters have more depth, sorcerer bloodlines are cool, wizard specialties are more developed, etc...  But I personally like these things.  If I'm gonna play a low magic, swords and sorcery, Grim Tales game then, no, it doesn't need this.  But 3X has always been a flashy fantasy game for me anyway.  If you want a bit more subdued game, PF has taken things a step further away from that.  That is a very fair position.</blockquote>

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