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<blockquote data-quote="BOZ" data-source="post: 425410" data-attributes="member: 1241"><p>Decided to update this list, and post it here and on the Necromancer boards. This list represents just slightly less than half of the current compliment of creatures on the Creature Catalog; when I get done posting all of the monsters I have left to post, the pendulum will swing the other way.</p><p></p><p>Now, if you take a good look at what’s here, you’ll notice that most of these monsters fit at least one of these:</p><p>1. They were converted after (or just slightly before) the ToH contents list was finalized,</p><p>2. They came from a specific game world (Forgotten Realms, Ravenloft, Spelljammer, etc),</p><p>3. They have only appeared in Dragon magazine</p><p>4. There’s some other obvious reason why they didn’t make it into the Tome of Horrors.</p><p></p><p>So, if you hadn’t figured this pattern out already, this will probably give you a bit of insight into how Scott made his choices of what to put in the book. It is especially clear now that we know what is in Monster Manual II and Book of Vile Darkness. The above are, of course, not solid rules – for example, the tickler was an April Fools monster from Dragon magazine, and the belabra was a Forgotten Realms monster. </p><p></p><p>So Scott, what are you going to do? Split the monsters in half, keeping these where they are and giving the ToH creatures their own section, or just leaving things as is?</p><p></p><p>As far as a possible ToH2 goes (whoever said such a theoretical thing was going to happen?), do you think this list has enough good, strong picks to hold their own and make a book like that a good sequel to the first? Would it be wise to wait awhile, so that we can make sure to have more good conversions and new monsters for the book, before you would even want to start thinking about making another one? Or perhaps would you like to go the other way and make more "crunchy" – i.e., monster prestige classes, monster feats, mini-encounters, and other monster related materials – to pick up some of the slack?</p><p></p><p>Aartuk</p><p>Abrian</p><p>Air Sentinel</p><p>Aleax</p><p>Alguduir</p><p>Anuchu</p><p>Astral Energy Monster</p><p>Azmyth</p><p>Baluchiterium</p><p>Beastman</p><p>Behemoth</p><p>Beholder, Elder Orb</p><p>Beholder-Kin (Director and Crawler)</p><p>Beholder-Kin (Examiner)</p><p>Beholder-Kin (Gauth)</p><p>Beholder-Kin (Hive Mother)</p><p>Beholder-Kin (Lensman)</p><p>Beholder-Kin (Overseer)</p><p>Beholder-Kin (Watcher)</p><p>Beholder-kin, Searechter (Marine Spectator)</p><p>Berbalang</p><p>Bhaergala</p><p>Biclops</p><p>Black Troll</p><p>Black Willow</p><p>Blazing Bones</p><p>Bloodthorn</p><p>Bloodwight</p><p>Bone Weird</p><p>Bonespear</p><p>Booka</p><p>Boring Grass</p><p>Bramble</p><p>Bubble</p><p>Caiveh</p><p>Capybara, Giant</p><p>Cave Locust</p><p>Celestial (Agathion)</p><p>Chimera (Undead)</p><p>Choke Creeper</p><p>Cildabrin</p><p>Colossus</p><p>Cynamolgus</p><p>Darter</p><p>Death Angel</p><p>Demon (Miska the Wolf-Spider)</p><p>Demon (Queen of Chaos)</p><p>Demon (Spider-Kakkuu)</p><p>Demon (Spider-Lycosidilith)</p><p>Demon (Spider-Phisarazu)</p><p>Demon (Spider-Raklupis)</p><p>Demon (Spider-Spithriku)</p><p>Demon Lord (Zuggtmoy)</p><p>Denzelian</p><p>Desert Wraith</p><p>Devil (Duke Alastor)</p><p>Devil (Duke Baalberith)</p><p>Devil (Duke Baalzephon)</p><p>Devil (Duke Caarcrinolaas)</p><p>Devil (Duke Focalor)</p><p>Devil (Duke Melchon)</p><p>Devil (Duke Zimmimar)</p><p>Devil (Princess of Hell- Baalphegor)</p><p>Devil (Princess of Hell- Glasya)</p><p>Devil: Selm (Prince of the Possessors)</p><p>Dire Ape (Enhanced)</p><p>Diurge</p><p>Dobie</p><p>Dracosphinx</p><p>Dragon (Adamantite)</p><p>Dragon (Mercury)</p><p>Dragon (Yellow)</p><p>Dread</p><p>Dusanu (rot-fiend)</p><p>Elemental (Quasi-Mineral- Chamrol)</p><p>Elemental (Quasi-Mineral- Crystalle)</p><p>Elemental (Quasi-Mineral- Energy Pod)</p><p>Elemental (Quasi-Mineral- Glomus)</p><p>Elemental (Quasi-Mineral- Shard)</p><p>Elemental (Quasi-Mineral- Spined Shard)</p><p>Elemental (Quasi-Mineral- Trilling Crysmal)</p><p>Elemental Lord (Cryonax)</p><p>Elemental Lord (Ogremoch)</p><p>Elemental Lord (Olhydra)</p><p>Elemental Lord (Yan-C-Bin)</p><p>Eyewing</p><p>Fachan</p><p>Faerie Fiddler</p><p>Feystag</p><p>Flolite</p><p>Fossergrim</p><p>Foulwing</p><p>Fremlin</p><p>Frost</p><p>Fungus Hulk</p><p>Galltrit</p><p>Giant (Verbeeg)</p><p>Giant (Voadkyn)</p><p>Giant Annelid</p><p>Giff</p><p>Golden Ammonite</p><p>Golem, Lightning</p><p>Gorse</p><p>Gorynych</p><p>Gremlin</p><p>Grim</p><p>Halfling, Wild</p><p>Hamadryad</p><p>Hamster (Giant Space)</p><p>Hollyphant</p><p>Horast (Whipper Beast)</p><p>Hungry Dead</p><p>Hypnosnake</p><p>Inquisitor</p><p>Insect Swarm</p><p>Irish Deer</p><p>Jabberwock</p><p>Jor</p><p>Kenku</p><p>Kirre</p><p>Krakentua</p><p>Lamia Noble</p><p>Lammasu (Celestial)</p><p>Leomarh</p><p>Leshy</p><p>Living Wall</p><p>Luposphinx</p><p>Lycanthrope (Werebadger)</p><p>Lynx (Giant)</p><p>Lythlyx</p><p>Maedar</p><p>Mantrap</p><p>Megatherium</p><p>Miner</p><p>Modron (Primus)</p><p>Monkey Spider</p><p>Moon-horse</p><p>Musical Spirit</p><p>Nightshade</p><p>Nymph, Grain</p><p>Obliviax</p><p>Oculon</p><p>Oil Beetle</p><p>Oonga</p><p>Paraelemental (Frigidarch)</p><p>Paraelemental (Iceling)</p><p>Paraelemental (Shiverbug)</p><p>Paraelemental (Snowfury)</p><p>Per</p><p>Phororhacos</p><p>Polymar</p><p>Pseudo-Undead</p><p>Quagmire</p><p>Red Cap</p><p>Render, The</p><p>Retch Plant (Globe Palm)</p><p>Rhaumbusun</p><p>Rilmani (Abiorach)</p><p>Sashalus</p><p>Scaladar</p><p>Selkie</p><p>Sheen (Dasher)</p><p>Sheen (Drifter)</p><p>Sheen (Flitter)</p><p>Sheen (Greater Walker)</p><p>Sheen (Render)</p><p>Sheen (Walker)</p><p>Skriaxit</p><p>Skuz</p><p>Slaad Lord (Chourst)</p><p>Slaad Lord (Rennbuu)</p><p>Slithermorph</p><p>Slow Shadow</p><p>Smilodon</p><p>Snakes, Flying (Deathfang)</p><p>Snakes, Flying (Flying Fang)</p><p>Snyad</p><p>Spotted Lion</p><p>Squeaker</p><p>Squirrel, Carnivorous Flying</p><p>Steel Shadow</p><p>Stwinger</p><p>Sundew, Giant</p><p>Sussurus</p><p>Swan</p><p>Swanmay</p><p>Tentacled Horror (Zargon)</p><p>The Wild Hunt</p><p>Thornslinger</p><p>Tirapheg</p><p>Tren</p><p>Trilloch</p><p>Tween</p><p>Twilight Bloom</p><p>Uldra</p><p>Undead Beast</p><p>Urd</p><p>Vampire Cactus</p><p>Viper Vine</p><p>Vodyanoi</p><p>Vortex</p><p>Watchghost</p><p>Wendigo</p><p>Whipweed</p><p>Whispering Pine</p><p>Whiz-Bang Beetle (Swarm)</p><p>Wooly Rhinoceros</p><p>Xador's Fluid</p><p>Xaver</p><p>Zaratan</p><p>Zombie-Lord</p><p>Zygom</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BOZ, post: 425410, member: 1241"] Decided to update this list, and post it here and on the Necromancer boards. This list represents just slightly less than half of the current compliment of creatures on the Creature Catalog; when I get done posting all of the monsters I have left to post, the pendulum will swing the other way. Now, if you take a good look at what’s here, you’ll notice that most of these monsters fit at least one of these: 1. They were converted after (or just slightly before) the ToH contents list was finalized, 2. They came from a specific game world (Forgotten Realms, Ravenloft, Spelljammer, etc), 3. They have only appeared in Dragon magazine 4. There’s some other obvious reason why they didn’t make it into the Tome of Horrors. So, if you hadn’t figured this pattern out already, this will probably give you a bit of insight into how Scott made his choices of what to put in the book. It is especially clear now that we know what is in Monster Manual II and Book of Vile Darkness. The above are, of course, not solid rules – for example, the tickler was an April Fools monster from Dragon magazine, and the belabra was a Forgotten Realms monster. So Scott, what are you going to do? Split the monsters in half, keeping these where they are and giving the ToH creatures their own section, or just leaving things as is? As far as a possible ToH2 goes (whoever said such a theoretical thing was going to happen?), do you think this list has enough good, strong picks to hold their own and make a book like that a good sequel to the first? Would it be wise to wait awhile, so that we can make sure to have more good conversions and new monsters for the book, before you would even want to start thinking about making another one? Or perhaps would you like to go the other way and make more "crunchy" – i.e., monster prestige classes, monster feats, mini-encounters, and other monster related materials – to pick up some of the slack? Aartuk Abrian Air Sentinel Aleax Alguduir Anuchu Astral Energy Monster Azmyth Baluchiterium Beastman Behemoth Beholder, Elder Orb Beholder-Kin (Director and Crawler) Beholder-Kin (Examiner) Beholder-Kin (Gauth) Beholder-Kin (Hive Mother) Beholder-Kin (Lensman) Beholder-Kin (Overseer) Beholder-Kin (Watcher) Beholder-kin, Searechter (Marine Spectator) Berbalang Bhaergala Biclops Black Troll Black Willow Blazing Bones Bloodthorn Bloodwight Bone Weird Bonespear Booka Boring Grass Bramble Bubble Caiveh Capybara, Giant Cave Locust Celestial (Agathion) Chimera (Undead) Choke Creeper Cildabrin Colossus Cynamolgus Darter Death Angel Demon (Miska the Wolf-Spider) Demon (Queen of Chaos) Demon (Spider-Kakkuu) Demon (Spider-Lycosidilith) Demon (Spider-Phisarazu) Demon (Spider-Raklupis) Demon (Spider-Spithriku) Demon Lord (Zuggtmoy) Denzelian Desert Wraith Devil (Duke Alastor) Devil (Duke Baalberith) Devil (Duke Baalzephon) Devil (Duke Caarcrinolaas) Devil (Duke Focalor) Devil (Duke Melchon) Devil (Duke Zimmimar) Devil (Princess of Hell- Baalphegor) Devil (Princess of Hell- Glasya) Devil: Selm (Prince of the Possessors) Dire Ape (Enhanced) Diurge Dobie Dracosphinx Dragon (Adamantite) Dragon (Mercury) Dragon (Yellow) Dread Dusanu (rot-fiend) Elemental (Quasi-Mineral- Chamrol) Elemental (Quasi-Mineral- Crystalle) Elemental (Quasi-Mineral- Energy Pod) Elemental (Quasi-Mineral- Glomus) Elemental (Quasi-Mineral- Shard) Elemental (Quasi-Mineral- Spined Shard) Elemental (Quasi-Mineral- Trilling Crysmal) Elemental Lord (Cryonax) Elemental Lord (Ogremoch) Elemental Lord (Olhydra) Elemental Lord (Yan-C-Bin) Eyewing Fachan Faerie Fiddler Feystag Flolite Fossergrim Foulwing Fremlin Frost Fungus Hulk Galltrit Giant (Verbeeg) Giant (Voadkyn) Giant Annelid Giff Golden Ammonite Golem, Lightning Gorse Gorynych Gremlin Grim Halfling, Wild Hamadryad Hamster (Giant Space) Hollyphant Horast (Whipper Beast) Hungry Dead Hypnosnake Inquisitor Insect Swarm Irish Deer Jabberwock Jor Kenku Kirre Krakentua Lamia Noble Lammasu (Celestial) Leomarh Leshy Living Wall Luposphinx Lycanthrope (Werebadger) Lynx (Giant) Lythlyx Maedar Mantrap Megatherium Miner Modron (Primus) Monkey Spider Moon-horse Musical Spirit Nightshade Nymph, Grain Obliviax Oculon Oil Beetle Oonga Paraelemental (Frigidarch) Paraelemental (Iceling) Paraelemental (Shiverbug) Paraelemental (Snowfury) Per Phororhacos Polymar Pseudo-Undead Quagmire Red Cap Render, The Retch Plant (Globe Palm) Rhaumbusun Rilmani (Abiorach) Sashalus Scaladar Selkie Sheen (Dasher) Sheen (Drifter) Sheen (Flitter) Sheen (Greater Walker) Sheen (Render) Sheen (Walker) Skriaxit Skuz Slaad Lord (Chourst) Slaad Lord (Rennbuu) Slithermorph Slow Shadow Smilodon Snakes, Flying (Deathfang) Snakes, Flying (Flying Fang) Snyad Spotted Lion Squeaker Squirrel, Carnivorous Flying Steel Shadow Stwinger Sundew, Giant Sussurus Swan Swanmay Tentacled Horror (Zargon) The Wild Hunt Thornslinger Tirapheg Tren Trilloch Tween Twilight Bloom Uldra Undead Beast Urd Vampire Cactus Viper Vine Vodyanoi Vortex Watchghost Wendigo Whipweed Whispering Pine Whiz-Bang Beetle (Swarm) Wooly Rhinoceros Xador's Fluid Xaver Zaratan Zombie-Lord Zygom [/QUOTE]
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