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<blockquote data-quote="zoroaster100" data-source="post: 3732511" data-attributes="member: 8538">Visceris, as was pointed out, sometimes during a session the party wants to buff for a different type of foe, and with very high level characters that takes a loooong time for my group, which is almost all casters of different types.&nbsp; Even when they know what they are facing ahead of time, so that buffing could theoretically be done before hand, my players are all busy professionals and often don't get to talk to each other or email about the game until we finally get to sit at the game table together for a few hours every several weeks.&nbsp; So it is painful to have to spend a big chunk of that time on prepping instead of roleplaying or even fighting battles.&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm sure for some groups it is not an issue, but I'm also sure my group is not the only one for whom prep time required is an issue.Mind you, I'm not saying that third edition is no good.&nbsp; We still have fun overall despite these specific elements we find not fun.&nbsp; But our fun was greatest in levels 3 through 11 or so, and got more and more spread out in between bookkeeping in levels 11 through 20 (where we are right now after two years of playing).&nbsp; Our entire group, including all 5 players and me (the DM) have been yearning more and more for the good old days of lower level play for a while now.&nbsp; What I hope 4e can accomplish, even though we don't know yet if it will, is to make high level play just as fun as the lower level play is right now for 3.5.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="zoroaster100, post: 3732511, member: 8538"] Visceris, as was pointed out, sometimes during a session the party wants to buff for a different type of foe, and with very high level characters that takes a loooong time for my group, which is almost all casters of different types. Even when they know what they are facing ahead of time, so that buffing could theoretically be done before hand, my players are all busy professionals and often don't get to talk to each other or email about the game until we finally get to sit at the game table together for a few hours every several weeks. So it is painful to have to spend a big chunk of that time on prepping instead of roleplaying or even fighting battles. I'm sure for some groups it is not an issue, but I'm also sure my group is not the only one for whom prep time required is an issue. Mind you, I'm not saying that third edition is no good. We still have fun overall despite these specific elements we find not fun. But our fun was greatest in levels 3 through 11 or so, and got more and more spread out in between bookkeeping in levels 11 through 20 (where we are right now after two years of playing). Our entire group, including all 5 players and me (the DM) have been yearning more and more for the good old days of lower level play for a while now. What I hope 4e can accomplish, even though we don't know yet if it will, is to make high level play just as fun as the lower level play is right now for 3.5. [/QUOTE]

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