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Message: <blockquote data-quote="catastrophic" data-source="post: 5615867" data-attributes="member: 81381">Yeah, the whole idea that he 4e devs were really mean to 'the fans' in the lead-up is just another of the big 4e-bashing myths that don't stand up to close scrutiny.  Basically they laid out a bunch of criticisms of 3e, to explain why they made the choices they did. It was very reasonable, and correctly unapologetic about the need to fix things.  There was nothing offensive or exagerated about it, and for isntance the main thing that they overtly made fun of in the videos was the grab/grapple mechanics, which everyone agreed were crap. But in the furor that followed, a lot of the really hardcore shrieking 4e haters decided that wotc had been really mean to them, and part of the fantasy was that they'd been really disrepectful and snarky and brash when criticising 3e, and hence had insulted 'the fans' in a way they deserved heavy criticism for.  Since then, since 4e hate has been tolerated to such a broad degree, that myth has been repeated so often many people just assume it's true, or accept their greviance without thinking about how absurd it is to take offence on that level- especially considering how often 4e bashers sink into personal attacks about the kind of people 4e is aimed at, the kind of games they play, and often, the special qualities they supposedly lack. The whole claim is a hysterical acusation that only shows how far people stretched to rationalise their hostility to the new edition, and how tolerant and permissive the comunity was towards that kind of behaviour. People chose to take offence to a ridiculous degree, and everyone chaose to tolerate their offence to the point of making it dogma.</blockquote>

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