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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Argyle King" data-source="post: 5617341" data-attributes="member: 58416">I don't think 4th Edition is terrible.  I can see the benefit to a lot of choices.  However, there are also a lot of things I wish they would have done differently.As for the grittiness, I'm not looking to murder PCs, but --recently-- there have been times when the current DM thought a fight would be difficult, and it wasn't at all.  The group I play with has made some adjustments to get more of an experience that we want, but it's taken a lot of campaigns to start to get things worked out.  I suppose this ties into what Abdul was saying earlier.  It's easy to play 4th Edition; it's very easy to DM 4th Edition, but some groups might have a hard time getting it to perform the way they want.I would tend to agree with your mention of Dark Sun though.  I don't own the book, but I have access to it via friends who do.  I get the impression that (in general) most of Dark Sun is intended to be slightly more powerful than status quo 4th Edition.Where I'm at right now with 4th Edition, if I take a step back and look, can be described by saying I have something of a love/hate relationship with it.  Some of the changes I absolutely love, and they were such an improvement over 3rd, that I would have a hard time going back.  However, at the same time, the few things that bother me really really bother me to the extent that it's hard for me to ignore them.I do still enjoy 4E though.  In spite of the things which bother me, the fact is that I was lucky enough to find a regular group which I enjoy playing with -regardless of system.  There are still times when I'd prefer to be playing something else, but, overall, I enjoy spending time with the group enough to be able to become at least 'ok' with the parts of 4th which bother me.</blockquote>

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