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What's so bad about 4th edition? What's so good about other systems?
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<blockquote data-quote="Gaming Tonic" data-source="post: 5618027" data-attributes="member: 6679316"><p>Some people just like to hate and we need to keep that in mind when reading forums, message boards, tweets, and the like. Lots of players see it as a dumbing down of D & D and that is definitely got some truth to it. It is easier on the DM by far over any previous edition. With the formulaic process that WOTC has used for all powers they are somewhat boxed in on new material for current classes. This shows with the poor quality of all the DDI in the last sixteen months or so. The online tools from DDI also are way inferior to what was their before and people don't like to get less than they used to get. From this point on their will be releases of things that get characters more power because those are the books that sell. Themes and feats and more races are all that they have left really. I also have heard that magic doesn't feel magical in comparison to previous editions. That may be true but wizard ruled all classes after 4th level so why play anything else. Previous editions had huge flaws with this. I enjoy a variety of systems and 4th Edition is one of them. Hero System is fun for some grit and realism. GURPS was a lot of fun for fantasy as well but the new editions of their core books were shoddy and fell apart instantaneously leading to the term GURPS pamphlets. Mix it up and try lots of things. Sure 4th Edition has some support but the OGL makes it difficult for companies to print using their material in a way that doesn't require too much work for the DM ahead of time and the stuff they have printed or that has been out in Dungeon doesn't seem as spectacular as previous editions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gaming Tonic, post: 5618027, member: 6679316"] Some people just like to hate and we need to keep that in mind when reading forums, message boards, tweets, and the like. Lots of players see it as a dumbing down of D & D and that is definitely got some truth to it. It is easier on the DM by far over any previous edition. With the formulaic process that WOTC has used for all powers they are somewhat boxed in on new material for current classes. This shows with the poor quality of all the DDI in the last sixteen months or so. The online tools from DDI also are way inferior to what was their before and people don't like to get less than they used to get. From this point on their will be releases of things that get characters more power because those are the books that sell. Themes and feats and more races are all that they have left really. I also have heard that magic doesn't feel magical in comparison to previous editions. That may be true but wizard ruled all classes after 4th level so why play anything else. Previous editions had huge flaws with this. I enjoy a variety of systems and 4th Edition is one of them. Hero System is fun for some grit and realism. GURPS was a lot of fun for fantasy as well but the new editions of their core books were shoddy and fell apart instantaneously leading to the term GURPS pamphlets. Mix it up and try lots of things. Sure 4th Edition has some support but the OGL makes it difficult for companies to print using their material in a way that doesn't require too much work for the DM ahead of time and the stuff they have printed or that has been out in Dungeon doesn't seem as spectacular as previous editions. [/QUOTE]
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