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<blockquote data-quote="catastrophic" data-source="post: 5618265" data-attributes="member: 81381"><p>I was there. I was watching through the whole thing, on multiple forums. I wasn't active here, but I was certainly lurking.</p><p> </p><p>And you're reading a great deal into every step of what happened, and it's not fair on WOTC, or the broader comunity to blame basically everyone for something that was mainly the fault of one element of the comunity- the people who got angry at 4e, and turned their anger into an endless vendetta. </p><p> </p><p>The fact that a few people argued back is immaterial- it's easy to blame both sides in a conflict, it's a common false truism, it's much harder to be honest about what the actual causes of a conflict are. The root causes here? Nerd rage and a shameful lack of self restraint and perspective.</p><p> </p><p>WOTC wasn't weren't 'really tactless', they were just explaining their decisions. There were big errors made by them in areas like the gsl, but frankly, 90% of the backlash was pure nerd rage, people looking for excuses to get angry. And people <em>making up</em> excuses to get angry, like the idea that unpullable ogl could be pulled, or the endless list of imaginary 4e flaws. </p><p> </p><p>The time you speak of, the toxicity, it's easy to blame it on everyone- wotc, people on 'both sides', 'bad eggs', easy targets. It's harder to admit the truth- the edition wars were caused and perpetrated by people who didn't like 4e, acting extremly poorly, and being tolerated far too much. </p><p> </p><p>Over time, this poor behaviour and the tolerance of it, have done real damage to the comunity and i'm under no obligation to accept the revisionist history of what occured. People hugely over-reacted, and acted very poorly- and the contribution of WOTC, or the people on the other side of the argument, was minor, at best.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="catastrophic, post: 5618265, member: 81381"] I was there. I was watching through the whole thing, on multiple forums. I wasn't active here, but I was certainly lurking. And you're reading a great deal into every step of what happened, and it's not fair on WOTC, or the broader comunity to blame basically everyone for something that was mainly the fault of one element of the comunity- the people who got angry at 4e, and turned their anger into an endless vendetta. The fact that a few people argued back is immaterial- it's easy to blame both sides in a conflict, it's a common false truism, it's much harder to be honest about what the actual causes of a conflict are. The root causes here? Nerd rage and a shameful lack of self restraint and perspective. WOTC wasn't weren't 'really tactless', they were just explaining their decisions. There were big errors made by them in areas like the gsl, but frankly, 90% of the backlash was pure nerd rage, people looking for excuses to get angry. And people [i]making up[/i] excuses to get angry, like the idea that unpullable ogl could be pulled, or the endless list of imaginary 4e flaws. The time you speak of, the toxicity, it's easy to blame it on everyone- wotc, people on 'both sides', 'bad eggs', easy targets. It's harder to admit the truth- the edition wars were caused and perpetrated by people who didn't like 4e, acting extremly poorly, and being tolerated far too much. Over time, this poor behaviour and the tolerance of it, have done real damage to the comunity and i'm under no obligation to accept the revisionist history of what occured. People hugely over-reacted, and acted very poorly- and the contribution of WOTC, or the people on the other side of the argument, was minor, at best. [/QUOTE]
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