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Message: <blockquote data-quote="wlmartin" data-source="post: 5619734" data-attributes="member: 6679380">@ WarlocklordHow is 4e an evolution to 3e? I am not going to go through a point by point analysis of 4th over 3rd but it is a clear evolution. 3rd was stuck in the ways of old with BAB and restrictive classes, major overbalanced characters and a skill system that was nothing more than a waste of timeYes, any game has to have its rules.. it is the skeleton for which the Roleplayers and the DM add to to create the muscles and flesh. A game with an entirely different skeleton but the same players and energy would create a completely different experience just as the different experience you get from a 3e and 4e game.The 2 big things that support roleplay more in 4e are1 : A clearer and simpler rules system so that players are thinking less about the mechanics of the game and more about how to use those mechanics to make the game work for them. All the maths is done for you, you dont need to worry about what bonuses you get, the power card has it on there2 : A skills system that actually builds strong Roleplay experiences instead of being an excuse to power game. Use magic device? If that isnt something built for minmaxers I dont know what is. The skill system and skill challenges take the game from being about hack+slash and allows the players to do something more. You couldnt incoporate a skill challenge into the 3e system as the structure isnt designed that way, skills are built as add-ons for combat... Yes, there are aspects of 3rd I still love... but 4e is a stronger entity.I am not trying to convince you... I am just offering my side of the discussion. I used to love 3rd and would shout that from the rooftops. I am open minded and when I saw 4e I was unsure, it was new and I needed to learn new things - which was hard.... but in the weighup between 4th and 3rd (or 3.5) 4th wins.Wait until they come out with 5th Edition.. I will do the same thing I did before, weigh up the options and if 5th speaks to me as a player then I will pick that.I have said this before, there are 50 year old 1st edition players who refuse to go 3rd let alone 4th and it is said that I will never sit at a table and play their game as I would love to get involved with such experience in the game.</blockquote>

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