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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5620781" data-attributes="member: 87792">Not as much of a problem with raised monster damage.  But this is mostly caused by DMs who make monsters fight to the death.    Let me guess:1: You play but don't DM.2: You massively prefer to play casters. Because that was only ever true for casters in 3.X.  Fighters could never learn the Claw/Claw/Bite attack routine of a dragon.  So why should wizards be able to learn almost everything? If PCs and NPCs use the same rules then prep time is massive.  And the DM is extremely limited in what sort of magic works - because if the PCs get their hands on it they can spam it and break the gameworld.  On the other hand if you use different rules, prep time is limited and magic becomes ... magical.  You get extraordinary effects.  And combat magic is not what you can cast, it's what you can cast by rote.    They massively reduced it.  The Big 6 became the Big 3, and carrying around 57 minor items doesn't happen much.  So yes, it looks like they followed through - the christmas tree effect wasn't being well dressed, it was all the little twinklies and quite how many of them there are.  4e without the errata is still a good game.  With the errata is better.  Their loss. Like most people you're looking at the wrong rituals.  Level 1 rituals can be cast by level 1 casters - but because of the exponential scaling, when you reach level 5 the cost of the low level rituals becomes trivial.  All of them?  All of them?  Well, I suppose Beguiling Tongue or Inspire Competence is if you count "Can help a third rate combat option that is the use of a skill" (i.e. Bluff or Intimidate) as combat related.  Many are combat related, but even in the PHB1 there were utility powers like Beguiling Tongue which is only tangentally useful in combat. Or where you set up the receiving circle in advance.  Takes strategy and planning.  Holy hell, that's your standard for interacting with the gameworld in a meaningful way?  Mine counts Bloom - creating a 400ft blackberry patch - as interacting with the world in a meaningful way.  If you do it in the right place anyway (bunching up an entire company of soldiers in one case, saving a villiage from famine in another). In short you need to think and plan to use them.  They aren't the snap-your-fingers solution magic once was.  You run decoys, drawing the demon while setting up the circle.  Silent Image At Will would be and is a gamebreaker.  Even daily was bad enough (image of a fog cloud meaning it only worked one way, anyone?)  As for being able to make an illusionary image as an encounter power, my last Wizard would have been very surprised to learn his level 2 utility power didn't exist.  That it does damage.  Give me enough time and a hypodermic syringe full of air and I can kill a hundred people.  This is not a realism problem.  And the same in every other damn RPG out there.  Your point?  I wouldn't stat the wall until the PCs tried to attack it - but if they wanted to attack it, I would stat it almost immediately.  In all seriousness, is this anything other than a completely theoretical problem based on a reading of the rules that no DM has ever used?  Has any DM anywhere ever said "No, I haven't statted the vendor for combat therefore you can't attack him"?  Other than doing a WoW parody?  Which is why you have DMs.  If you want to attack the vendor, you 1-shot him.  And then deal with the consequences.  Really?  They screw the PCs over by this?  Rather than by excessively mighty DMPCs with 9th level spells?  I know which one I've routinely seen threads about.  And it isn't the one you're calling out.  And as DM I will break the game.  Orbital metiorite strike.  Followed by the moon falling onto the world.  Rocks fall, everyone dies.  This demonstrates one simple rule.  If the DM is trying to break the game then the DM is a jackass.</blockquote>

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