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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GregoryOatmeal" data-source="post: 5626097" data-attributes="member: 6667661">Going back to the OPCastles and Crusades is so much better so 4E sucks(Not my words)If anyone is experiencing the same issues with 4E (or 3E, 3.5, PF) I would strongly recommend Castles and Crusades. IMHO 2E, 3E, and 4E continuously add ornaments to 1E, which is a beautiful Christmas tree but not strong enough to support all of the features tacked onto it. C&C takes the most intuitive elements of the new systems (or you can homerule them in - I use the 4E crit system and a few other things) and adds them to a very simple, fast-paced version of 1E. So the game is<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Totally compatible with 1E/2E material and adventures. You can jump right into Keep on the Borderlands or Tomb of Horrors.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Efficiently translates THAC0 into the attack system from 3E/4E</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">D20 system where high numbers are always good</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Attribute modifiers replace all the random mechanics buried in the text from 1E/2E</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Character sheets shouldn't be more than a half sheet of notebook paper. You could easily fit a low-level character onto a 3x5 notecard.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Skills and feats are gone. This is an example of how 3E codified everything - you can get by without them easily</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">No Christmas tree effect!</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">No computer programs, minis, tiles, gaming matts - but they might help if you want them.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Cheap buy-in. You could DM off the basic PHB alone. You could wing monsters or get them out of an old adventure or the original MM or the 2E MM</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Very fast combats and character creation</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Every game mechanic should be familiar to players who've played a D20 game</li> </ul>It's not balanced and presentation is funky (rules are sometimes buried in paragraphs) but hey, no system is perfect. Ultimately I've found it to be a faster, more efficient version system than 3E or 4E (or 1E/2E) that still feels a lot like D&D. I'd highly recommend it.</blockquote>

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