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<blockquote data-quote="nnms" data-source="post: 5639141" data-attributes="member: 83293"><p>Blame is a waste of time. In almost every part of life. And it's especially useless when it comes to something we are doing as a hobby for enjoyment. Analyze the situation? Yep. See what needs to change? Identify how to change it? All good. But blame? Waste of time. When we blame we tend to stop and not move forward because something else has been made the problem.</p><p></p><p>If I blame 4E for the lack of enjoyment I'm having, then I've made the responsibility lie with something outside of my control. 4E isn't going to change because I might think it's responsible for me not enjoying its features anymore. I guess if I really want to blame 4E I can become just another message board crusader in an edition war.</p><p></p><p>I can house rule and hack, and have, but 4E is fundamentally a certain way and drift only goes so far before I'd be better off identifying another system as the solution.</p><p></p><p>Everything I'm not enjoying about 4E right now is actually a strength of the system. All of it. And I have defended every one of them in the past as being good. Unfortunately, hacking them all to be something other than what they are would result in me not playing 4E anymore as they are core features of the game. I'm better off starting with a new foundation. I'm in the process of giving Savage Worlds a try.</p><p></p><p>I guess I don't care about culpability, but only responsibility. We often conflate them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nnms, post: 5639141, member: 83293"] Blame is a waste of time. In almost every part of life. And it's especially useless when it comes to something we are doing as a hobby for enjoyment. Analyze the situation? Yep. See what needs to change? Identify how to change it? All good. But blame? Waste of time. When we blame we tend to stop and not move forward because something else has been made the problem. If I blame 4E for the lack of enjoyment I'm having, then I've made the responsibility lie with something outside of my control. 4E isn't going to change because I might think it's responsible for me not enjoying its features anymore. I guess if I really want to blame 4E I can become just another message board crusader in an edition war. I can house rule and hack, and have, but 4E is fundamentally a certain way and drift only goes so far before I'd be better off identifying another system as the solution. Everything I'm not enjoying about 4E right now is actually a strength of the system. All of it. And I have defended every one of them in the past as being good. Unfortunately, hacking them all to be something other than what they are would result in me not playing 4E anymore as they are core features of the game. I'm better off starting with a new foundation. I'm in the process of giving Savage Worlds a try. I guess I don't care about culpability, but only responsibility. We often conflate them. [/QUOTE]
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