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<blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 7389787" data-attributes="member: 20564">They are desirable in a specific case - you are playing a melee-based character without access to Extra Attack.They use your melee attack ability (usually STR or DEX) to apply, so you don't need to have a high spellcasting ability score.&nbsp; This is a big difference from all the other damaging cantrips, and it's generally a big shift.&nbsp; For those that want it, it's a big positive shift, for those who don't it's a big negative shift.The damage is also quite nice, especially when you factor in that as a melee-based character there will be other damage increases (magic weapons, fighting styles, hex - whatever the build &amp; party do).EDIT:&nbsp; They sometimes beat out Extra Attack even if you have access to it.&nbsp; Also, it's available before Extra Attack so even a character that will eventually get it may want the cantrips early on.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blue, post: 7389787, member: 20564"] They are desirable in a specific case - you are playing a melee-based character without access to Extra Attack. They use your melee attack ability (usually STR or DEX) to apply, so you don't need to have a high spellcasting ability score. This is a big difference from all the other damaging cantrips, and it's generally a big shift. For those that want it, it's a big positive shift, for those who don't it's a big negative shift. The damage is also quite nice, especially when you factor in that as a melee-based character there will be other damage increases (magic weapons, fighting styles, hex - whatever the build & party do). EDIT: They sometimes beat out Extra Attack even if you have access to it. Also, it's available before Extra Attack so even a character that will eventually get it may want the cantrips early on. [/QUOTE]

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