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What's so Hard About Grappling?
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<blockquote data-quote="Larrin" data-source="post: 4045194" data-attributes="member: 55816"><p>This is the list where my problems arise, because keeping all of these little rules in the head is tough to do for many people. I can remember that spell casting is limited to ones without gestures and only with components you get in your hand, but i don't remember if you can gets things from your spellpouch with a grapple check. Can i only attack with light weapons? Must i win a grapple check to attack the grappler with a weapon? Does this break me free? Is breaking free from a grapple a free action/move action/standard action/atack action? There are just so many little questions that HAVE answers in the rules, but are so "could go either way" in real life that people tend to misremember/not-remember them, causing a grind down of play and arguments a-plenty. Initiating and maintaining a grapple have 'easy' enough to learn rules, but the choices that arise from anything other that "I grab and choke him" can lead to much looking up of things. </p><p></p><p>Heck on the wizards websight you can find (<a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20050301a" target="_blank">http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20050301a</a>) a 4 part "all about grappling" that took up 4 parts with all the explanations. And there are parts that the author get wrong(ish) and it was edited later. Point is, it takes a long time for the makers of the game to explain grappling's uses, it takes many players even longer to memorize every little nuacnce of the choices, and only 5 seconds to forget it all between gaming sessions. WoTC apparently have noticed this, and are willing to see if they can't help out out in 4e.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Larrin, post: 4045194, member: 55816"] This is the list where my problems arise, because keeping all of these little rules in the head is tough to do for many people. I can remember that spell casting is limited to ones without gestures and only with components you get in your hand, but i don't remember if you can gets things from your spellpouch with a grapple check. Can i only attack with light weapons? Must i win a grapple check to attack the grappler with a weapon? Does this break me free? Is breaking free from a grapple a free action/move action/standard action/atack action? There are just so many little questions that HAVE answers in the rules, but are so "could go either way" in real life that people tend to misremember/not-remember them, causing a grind down of play and arguments a-plenty. Initiating and maintaining a grapple have 'easy' enough to learn rules, but the choices that arise from anything other that "I grab and choke him" can lead to much looking up of things. Heck on the wizards websight you can find ([url]http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20050301a[/url]) a 4 part "all about grappling" that took up 4 parts with all the explanations. And there are parts that the author get wrong(ish) and it was edited later. Point is, it takes a long time for the makers of the game to explain grappling's uses, it takes many players even longer to memorize every little nuacnce of the choices, and only 5 seconds to forget it all between gaming sessions. WoTC apparently have noticed this, and are willing to see if they can't help out out in 4e. [/QUOTE]
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