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<blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 5049577" data-attributes="member: 2205">Yes, I know, that's what I'm specifically complaining about.&nbsp; I tend to simplify my cosmologies.&nbsp; For one thing, most of the time, the details of the cosmology are just estoteric religious doctrine that has little impact on the game itself.&nbsp; For another, I really like to keep things a bit simpler and easier to use if I actually want to, even in a game that features lots of outsiders.So for my settings, I tend to have a transitory plane that's not unlike the Plane of Shadow.&nbsp; This is the &quot;porch&quot;; the gateway that separates all the many hells from the mortal world.&nbsp; From here, you can enter the various hellish planes, which have a more complicated geography of nesting and linkages.&nbsp; Sometimes you have to travel through one (or more) to get to another, &quot;deeper&quot; one, while others are linked directly to the &quot;porch.&quot;But in terms of what those hells are, I use any hostile plane layer and any hostile outsider fairly indiscriminantly.&nbsp; Demons, daemons, devils, oni, slaad, efreet, etc...&nbsp; Conceptually they're all really the same thing, it's only their mechanical, gamist properties that are really different.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Desdichado, post: 5049577, member: 2205"] Yes, I know, that's what I'm specifically complaining about. I tend to simplify my cosmologies. For one thing, most of the time, the details of the cosmology are just estoteric religious doctrine that has little impact on the game itself. For another, I really like to keep things a bit simpler and easier to use if I actually want to, even in a game that features lots of outsiders. So for my settings, I tend to have a transitory plane that's not unlike the Plane of Shadow. This is the "porch"; the gateway that separates all the many hells from the mortal world. From here, you can enter the various hellish planes, which have a more complicated geography of nesting and linkages. Sometimes you have to travel through one (or more) to get to another, "deeper" one, while others are linked directly to the "porch." But in terms of what those hells are, I use any hostile plane layer and any hostile outsider fairly indiscriminantly. Demons, daemons, devils, oni, slaad, efreet, etc... Conceptually they're all really the same thing, it's only their mechanical, gamist properties that are really different. [/QUOTE]

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