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<blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 5049784" data-attributes="member: 2205">I disagree; I think further differentiation and compartmentalization and speciation is exacty what isn't needed, since we've got already got too many things that conceptually overlap and are only distinguished by increasingly esoteric minutia.In addition, if the Abyss in general is already too Far Realms like in concept, the historical Abyss, with the obyriths and whatnot, is even moreso.&nbsp; (I don't know if 4e still has a place for obyriths or not; I'm not very familiar with the implied cosmology there.&nbsp; I think the Primordials can kinda stand in for Obyrith Lords pretty well, though, right?)&nbsp; One way to fold them together is to make the Far Realms aberrations be the spawn of the obyriths.&nbsp; Or maybe &quot;naturalized&quot; obyriths on the material plane that are no longer outsiders after generations of living away from the Abyss.&nbsp; That way they can still act pretty much as they do; like all Abyssal spawn, their motivation is destruction, entropy, violence, sadism, etc.&nbsp; And you can add a plot point that a further motivation unique to &quot;Far Realmsian&quot; aberrations is a desire to preserve their independence from the &quot;Johnny-Come-Lately&quot; tanar'ri and the current crop of demon lords, who'd like nothing better than to repatriate them all.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Desdichado, post: 5049784, member: 2205"] I disagree; I think further differentiation and compartmentalization and speciation is exacty what [I]isn't[/I] needed, since we've got already got too many things that conceptually overlap and are only distinguished by increasingly esoteric minutia. In addition, if the Abyss in general is already too Far Realms like in concept, the [I]historical[/I] Abyss, with the obyriths and whatnot, is even moreso. (I don't know if 4e still has a place for obyriths or not; I'm not very familiar with the implied cosmology there. I think the Primordials can kinda stand in for Obyrith Lords pretty well, though, right?) One way to fold them together is to make the Far Realms aberrations be the spawn of the obyriths. Or maybe "naturalized" obyriths on the material plane that are no longer outsiders after generations of living away from the Abyss. That way they can still act pretty much as they do; like all Abyssal spawn, their motivation is destruction, entropy, violence, sadism, etc. And you can add a plot point that a further motivation unique to "Far Realmsian" aberrations is a desire to preserve their independence from the "Johnny-Come-Lately" tanar'ri and the current crop of demon lords, who'd like nothing better than to repatriate them all. [/QUOTE]

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