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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SSquirrel" data-source="post: 5691750" data-attributes="member: 5202">No this doesn't ring true at all.  Actually all the gamers I am friends with here in Louisville are playing either 4E or Savage Worlds.  We've taught several people 4E, some of which gave D&D a try in 3.5 and said learning 4E was much easier and they enjoy it more.  The only other game people generally talk about is Pathfinder, but I don't know anyone who actually PLAYS PF.   No one talks about 3.5.Actually, here's the relevant info from the top 20 gaming books on Amazon right now.  PF is #1 yes, but look at how many books are D&D in that top 20.    The top 4 D&D books are the Starter set, the Rules Compendium, the PHB, HotFL and the new Madness at Gardmore Abbey comes in at #6.  Monster Vault is #9 and the DMG is #17, so we certainly have the core of 4th edition well covered.  Plus various other books.Pathfinder: 1, 7, 10, 12D&D 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 16, 17, 19Non D&D Books: 11, 13, 15, 18Other RPGs: 14 (Black Crusader W40K for the curious)D&D Novel: 20 (the first Dragonlance Chronicles book)Using the Amazon list to proclaim PF the winner also fails to take a few other things into consideration.  $10 or less a month gets you DDI access and I know some people who haven't bought any books and just pay the $10.  How representative they are we don't know, but it does happen.  Also, PF is newer than 4E and the greatest influx of sales of even the core products occurs within the first several months after release.  4E could well have quickly reached a saturation point and new purchases are slower than PF.  How many of the people buying PF already own a 4E PHB?  Same question goes the other way too really.  There is a large unknown quantity for WotC revenue in the form of DDI.  If DDI is very popular, they are pulling n lots of money from that.  One group I played with still uses the side loaded OCB instead of the online version and I was its only DDI subscriber, but my current group uses multiple DDI accounts.  That other group is currently running Savage Worlds, but when they are done w/their back to back Savage Worlds campaigns, they are going back to a 4E game.There are 2 meet up groups listed in the Louisville KY area (metro size of about a million people).  One group is 13 people and sounds like a pretty open bunch, but they list Story RPGs (which says Indie RPGs next to it), so I'm guessing they're probably a bit more Dogs in the Vineyard etc than D&D or Pathfinder.  The other group has 273 members and it's focus is D&D.  Encounters, 4E, apparently at least one PF game going.  They mention they have members into variety of games, but the group is not built around PF and from what I can see of recent events, it seems almost entirely 4E focused.  Just my anecdotal regional info.Can you show us any evidence that they don't?  Didn't think so.  You could teach a math class in imaginary numbers with all the numbers you are imagining and putting forth as fact. *cough*Bladesinger!!*cough* The most flavorful thing WotC has come up with to date was actually Keith Baker's Eberron work.  So yeah, I can totally go w/this.  I actually liked a good bit of what they did with the new Realms, there was certainly a decent bit of flavor there.  Whether people like it is another story <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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