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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SSquirrel" data-source="post: 5691900" data-attributes="member: 5202">So we have anywhere from 60-200k DDI members.  We have no way of knowing how many of those are single month members and then dropped or how many are paying subs in any of the 3 options.  If even half of those people are averaging in the $8 range as the quarterly option is a median price point between the likely smaller group who pays for a whole year at once and the larger group that pays month to month.  This is true in MMOs, I don't see why similar behavior wouldn't apply here.If even half of the members are paying that average price, WotC is seeing anywhere from $240-$800,000 per month on top of any book sales.  I will freely admit this is merely an example w/no basis other than potential extrapolation from the numbers provided in the above post.  Just trying to show that there is a significant chunk of money that is not viewed from hobby store sales.If you pluck numbers out of thin air and state them as fact (which is the opposite of my above example), someone WILL call you out on it.  I'm sorry if the truth hurts.It isn't a hidden community.  The Louisville metro area is 8 times the size of Flagstaff's (Google, it's fun) and we have a ton of colleges here as well as a large number of hospitals.  People move here from all over and it's in an interesting place when compared to other large metro areas.  We're 2 hours from Cincinnati, Nashville and Indianapolis.  3 hours to Columbus, just over an hour to Lexington.  4 to Chicago and St Louis and Knoxville.  6 to Pittsburgh.  We're very centrally located to a wide variety and in the end Meetup is very hit or miss.  Some areas use it a lot, some areas don't use it much at all.  I used it to meet a D&D group when I lived in Iowa City.  I haven't really used it since.I dont' know.  The people I have gamed with in Louisville ranged from about 40 all the way down to 18, I'm toward the top of that range at 35 and I've played for 24 years now.  We have some people who are newer to gaming as well as many who have played since Basic.  Encounters is just sort of weird all the way around.  I'm not a big fan of gaming w/completely random people, so I don't participate.  I don't really play in games at cons either tho. *shrug*Ok.  You were the one using Amazon to proclaim PF as selling so much better, but then when I showed you that over half of the top 20 was actually WotC product you move the goalposts and push toward pirated pdfs, which none of us are capable of tracking.  Who are all these people pushing 3.5?  I never hear anyone talking about 3.5 games when I'm in stores in town.  B/c it's all anecdotal and it's all data collected from opt in options.  People who choose to use Meetup.  People who choose to go to a gaming store instead of pirating or ordering from amazon or B&N.  What exactly is the 4E crowd in the closet about?  I've shared my experience locally and it has been pretty strongly 4E.  Savage Worlds comes up second.  I know people playing games of both happily.  Clearly I won't' claim to know even a fraction of the gamers here in Louisville, but of all the ones I know that are gaming in the area, those are the 2 games getting played.</blockquote>

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