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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hammerhead" data-source="post: 254845" data-attributes="member: 73">Another thing to consider is the overall effect of the initiative order.  Let's say 4 PCs versus 4 monsters.  If one PC goes first, then there probably won't be that big of a difference.  On the other hand, if everyone goes ahead of the enemy team, then you may be able to cut their firepower down significantly before they get a chance to act.  So the value you place on going first should probably depend on the value everyone else places on going first.However, I generally prefer Con as secondary attribute for many characters, especially spellcasters.  Reflex saves are almost always to avoid HP damage.  Even if you fail, you can whether the effect with extra HP.  On the other hand, Fort saves have nasty poisons, energy drains, and death effects.  Go constitution.</blockquote>