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Message: <blockquote data-quote="moritheil" data-source="post: 4161600" data-attributes="member: 30610">I will respectfully disagree with the assertion that EK is of moderate strength, and point out that amongst CharOp builders EK is the class you take when you can't take anything else.  If you compare it to other classes it has two major flaws: first, it does nothing to allow you to cast in armor, and second, you lose one caster level.Now, those flaws can be mitigated by using other classes, but again, that just puts EK in the role of "what you take after you get what's important."Putting 1 or 3 levels in Spellsword is far superior to putting those levels in EK.  You might still have to finish up with EK, but most people will go through Spellsword and Ab Champ first - what they offer is far better (casting in armor, for Spellsword, and a massive caster level boost, for Ab Champ.)Again, if you compare EK to the psionic equivalent (Slayer) its flaws become readily apparent: fewer hit points, lack of a cool thematic ability, no help with casting in armor.  Psionics are also more ideal for playing the "blaster fighter" archetype; arcane fighters tend to be more buff-centered.Raumathari Battlemage, War Wizard, and Suel Archanamach have not been mentioned yet, but they are solid choices.This statement intrigues me:If all they are is clerics sans healing, what's broken about them?  I found the duskblade to be significantly more powerful than a fighter, but still no match for a pure cleric or an optimized fighter/mage build at higher levels.</blockquote>

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