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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cadence" data-source="post: 6039261" data-attributes="member: 6701124">Given that tastes vary, and that 2e shows its possible to put lots of text on a page and still get in pictures and stat blocks, how about both suggested mythic content for people who like that and demographics and other stuff for people who like that part?Beyond the base zombie, 4e provides 5 additional types of zombies... with nothing about the origin of any (just a blurb on tactics).  2e explains the origins of its three alternate and provides descriptions of them, in addition to the stuff you don't find useful. Turning to gnolls in 4e, they are "feral, demon-woshipping marauders that kill, pillage, and destroy.  They attack without warning and slaughter without mercy all in the name of the demon lord Yeenoghu".  There is nothing anywhere that describes what exactly they are though beyond "medium natural humanoid" and a picture that looks like the hyena members of the Lion King musical were going on a rampage.   The first sentence of the description of 2e explictly says they are "large, evil, hyena-like humanoids"  (and then gives four more sentences of painfully drawn out description that I completely agree with you on).    Leaving the entire description to the picture seems to be common throughout the 4e MM, such as with the Basilisk and its number of legs.  For the beholder, is the one you can't count the stalks of the "Eye of flame" in the picture (looks like more than 3 stalks to me).  And apparently there is no way to disable the eye-stalks individually?   What exactly does a dark one look-like (I guess its a small humanoid with a big nose who apparently always wears blue capes in-spite of the written description saying they wear black?)   The pictures of the various devils are on entirely different pages (with no descriptions of their appearance by the stat blocks).    How big is a Roc in 4e ... is a horse the biggest thing it can carry off?   I thought the myths said an elephant.  2e makes it abundantly clear (and yes, I'll agree 2e errs on the side of beating points into the ground instead of giving more points.) In contrast there are the nice ones in 4e... Rakshasa stands out with a concise appearance description.  But is that only because they don't trust the picture to make it clear the hands are reversed? Which brings up a Pathfinder question, if by RAW two creatures can't occupy the same space, does that mean the purple worm can't swallow anyone alive? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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