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Message: <blockquote data-quote="NotAYakk" data-source="post: 9680387" data-attributes="member: 72555">True Strike cantripPact of the BladeAgonizing BlastAt level 4 this gives you an attack that does [W]+Cha*2 damage, at level 5 it would do [W]+Cha*2+1d6.Swapping Agonizing Blast for Thirsting Blade you do 2[W]+Cha*2 over 2 attacks at level 5.Just casting Eldritch Blast with AB you'd do 2d10+Cha*2 at level 5 at range over 2 attacks.The "trick" for melee warlocks in 5e was that you could combo elven accuracy with a great weapon mastery, rolling 3d20 makes -5 matter a lot less.  Or crit-fishing with smites, especially if you could get a 19-20 crit range (27% crit chance).  But elven accuracy is now a legacy feat...If we allow that thenVengence Paladin 6 / Warlock 5gets cha-to-attack on weapons, a 27% crit chance, and on a crit can double-smite (paladin and warlock smites) for +16d8 (72) damage once per long rest.  Using heavy armor and weapons and GWM and Hex, its standard attack rountine is 3d6+8 (18.5) x2 (37).  If it starts with 14 str, GWM bumps it to 15 and allows it to wear plate armor.+4 cha +4 prof.  Target AC is 16ish, so hits on an 8+ crits on an 19+.  3x advantage, so 4% miss 27% crit 69% (nice) hit rate.Over 2 attacks, 47% chance at least 1 crits (useful for bonus action attacks and 1/turn smites).Without hex, 2d6+8 does 15*.69 + 22*.27 = 16.3 damage per swing.With hex, 3d6+8 does 18.5*.69 + 29*.27 = 20.6 damage per swing.So hex adds +8.6 DPRA bonus swing without hex is worth 16.3*.47 = 7.7 damage per roundA bonus swing with hex is worth 20.6*.47 = 9.7 damage per roundConclusion: Hex is better than saving the bonus action for an extra swing.First round:Vengence, 2x attacks.  32.6 damage and  47% chance at least one crit goes off.  No bonus action.Second round:Hex, 2x attacks for 41.2 damage.  72% chance at least 1 crit.Third round:2x attacks + extra swing on crit for 50.9 damage.  85% chance of at least 1 crit.Over 3 rounds, 185.9 damage on average, or ~62 DPR.  It is likely to be able to drop a few more smites in there using paladin spell slots and the 3rd warlock spell slot; suppose a high chance of one more crit for another 12d8 damage (two 2nd level slots)?  That ups the DPR to 80, using up daily resources.A pure Warlock using EB with Hex is doing 30.8 DPR at range.A level 12 pure GWM Hex warlock does 3d6+9 (19.5) per swing (70% to hit, 5% crit) for 42.5 DPR (44.6 with bonus action) before smites.  Doesn't bother waiting for crits, just drops two smites for 6d8 each, for a total of ~52 DPR.A pure GWM Paladin Vengence who is smiting on crits and using HM does 3d6+1d8+9 (24) per swing at +9 to hit.With elven accuracy (!) it has a 98% hit 14% crit rate, so 25.6 damage per swing and 51.2 damage per round.Drops a smite on the 2nd attack, or 1st if it crits, gives us a 99% smite and 26% smite crit rate at 4d8 for 22.5 damage per round.Total DPR is 73.7 using all 3 3rd level slots, and 51.2 using only a 1st level slot (plus short rest resources).Oops; I gave this guy a free hunter's mark.  That added 7.8 DPR.  And he can't smite round 1 (neither can the warlock divine smite round 1 or 2).  So that drops everyone's numbers.Still, I'm getting nothing extremely out of band with this.</blockquote>

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