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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 3081287" data-attributes="member: 22779">Heh, fair enough.  However, I do agree with you about 3e being about providing choices and tools.  However, randomly generated stats are not choices.  They are actually pretty much the antithesis of choice.  It's not even being forced by someone else (which would at least be someone else's choice), but rather being forced to accept chance as a realistic model for creating a character that I am likely going to play for several hundred hours.Now, if you get a character that you like out of random rolling, that's great.  Of course that isn't a problem.  And, if you aren't terribly worried about a particular concept and just want to play whatever comes along, that's great too.  I've done that and it can be lots of fun.But that's the point.  It "can" be lots of fun, it can also lead to lemming characters that commit suicide at the first opportunity so I can try the dice gods again.  Or, it can lead to playing a character that you don't particularly like since it's a concept that perhaps doesn't appeal.Pretty much all the dice roll methods, aside from taking exactly as rolled, allow you to customize.  4d6 drop the lowest, arrange to taste (likely the most common form) is not terribly different from point buy anyway.  The vast majority of players will put their best stat where it makes them most effective.  So, arguements that point buy leads to powergaming are false.  We do it anyway.  Die rolled PC's are every bit as powergamed as point buy.  While it probably has happened, I truly believe that anyone who has created a fighter has had either Str or Dex as his highest stat, and those that haven't are mere statistical bumps.  Even Airwalkrr's dwarf fighter has powergamed his PC.  Highest stat str, cha as a dump stat.  That's powergaming pure and simple.There's also absolutely nothing wrong with that.  But, if we're going to do it anyway, why not just use point buy?</blockquote>

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