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Message: <blockquote data-quote="airwalkrr" data-source="post: 3088798" data-attributes="member: 12460">Actually, I'll give you that. To even further refine the idea, what we are really talking about are insignificant weaknesses. The fighter with 6 Charisma has a weakness alright, but it is insignificant compared to his role in the party. None of his class abilities (feats, use of armor and weapons, etc.) are based on Charisma so his weakness will rarely have a negative impact on his character.Now it is my turn to make a distinction. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> There is a good chance it will be more quantitatively, but it is not a foregone conclusion, nor is it a guarantee that the allocation will be optimal. If you get two 18s and four 8s, you will have a bit of trouble building a balanced character, but with point buy you can at least nominally cover all your bases without letting any of your significant ability scores be abyssmal. And let us not forget how many complaints there have been about "unplayable" characters after rolling. With so many complaints about "worthless" or "no-fun-to-play" characters, the risk of getting a low roll must definitely be real. Characters who like rolling are risk-takers, not min/maxers, although I suppose min/maxing and powergaming are not synonymous. So I guess I meant to say that min/maxers will choose point buy over rolling because it minimalizes risk, which is what min/maxing is all about. The bird in the hand being worth two in the bush analogy surfaces again here.As I've stated before, this is apparently an idiosyncrasity of your gaming group(s) and is by no means a universal standard. If I am min/maxing my character, I do not enjoy gambling my character's effectiveness on the DM's roulette table of mercy. I do not allow "do-overs" in my campaign and I have heard others say the same, although admittedly there are several who also do things the way you and your group(s) do.</blockquote>

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