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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Baron Opal II" data-source="post: 8755191" data-attributes="member: 6794067">Okay, I think you are stretching the definition of "Divine Intervention" so broadly as to encompass anything that mimics a clerical spell or effect. Simply drawing upon the Divine power source is not a standard definition of "Divine Intervention". That is calling upon the deity or force to directly intercede in an otherwise unscripted manner. (c.f. Divine intervention in the Cleric class in 5e)True, hit points just measure how long a character can act / fight. "Restoring resolve" through use of the Religion skill alone is a tortuous connection, but one you can do at your table.True.None of these are divine intervention, they're explicitly powers.If they are mundane powers, they are especially not divine intervention by definition. It's mundane.Specific powers are not divine intervention any more than a cleric's at-will.Excellent.Ad hoc use of Religion skill, very nice- a good replacement for a last rites / burial ceremony. Not divine intervention.Not divine intervention.So, what is divine intervention?No harm indeed, and no offense taken. However, you have yet to describe Divine Intervention in the ruleset. Divine Intervention being the player character beseeching direct aid from the divine. Using a daily power is using a daily power; the main characteristic of Divine Intervention is the adjustable and variable nature of the boon, as well as being outside the usual scope of the character's abilities. I own every version of D&D, and looked through the 4e PHB thoroughly before my previous post. There are no statements on direct intervention. Maybe there is something in the DMG I missed. I am happy to be corrected, simply cite the page for my edification.Tell me what the specific rules are in 4e for invoking the aid of deity to solve a variable problem at hand, similar in effect to a limited wish, wish, or miracle. That is what I provided for AD&D and 5e, above. These are not simply customary powers with flavor text. Now if you want to define Divine Intervention in 4e as anything unexpected, be my guest. It's incorrect, but at your table you can rule as you wish.None of this contradicts my statement that the OP's valid question is one of state of play rather than rules of play. The minutia of specific rule sets are of little import, especially since this is a general D&D thread.</blockquote>

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