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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 8755369" data-attributes="member: 6696971">Ok, I’m mega-time limited, so I can’t answer all of your stuff right now [USER=2209]@Voadam[/USER]  [USER=6794067]@Baron Opal II[/USER] (I’ll try to get to it tonight).  But why do you think I threw together that Nomogical Network above?  It wasn't an accident.  I was addressing specific claims by drawing upon various concepts in 4e, how they manifest in the imagined space, and what is at the intersection of all of that.Two important claims I was addressing were:Gods don't answer mundane prayer/recitation/ceremony.andMundane prayer/recitation/ceremony doesn't restore hit points (and its proxy or component part in 4e; flagging spirits, resolve, steadfastness).So, with that said:1)  With respect to the above claims, what work do you think (1) in my post above is doing?2)  With respect to the above claims, what work do you think (3) is doing?We don't need to get into the rest of the enumerated points yet.  Lets just talk about those two points and their intersection.  If you are someone that holds the above two italicized claims...and you understand the implications of the directly above...and you are still unmoved/incredulous/holding onto either of those claims..then, I'm just going to put this out there:  You cannot be moved off your position and you cannot have your incredulity disarmed.  Its impossible.  Because just (1) + (3) in the above utterly nuke those claims from orbit.  Donezo.  Game set match.  Mundane (sans Divine keyword) prayer/recitiation/ceremony restores hit points (flagging spirits, resolve, steadfastness) and provides other protections because those mundane prayers are answers.</blockquote>

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