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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 8755459" data-attributes="member: 2209">I am not sure that your examples demonstrate that. The gods appear in dreams to their followers seems the most active thing said about them. They can do many things, it does not say they do them in the mortal world or that they care deeply about mortal affairs.Most of the Mythic history that I remember is Dawn War stuff and not gods acting on and caring about the mortal world and individual mortal affairs. Torag physically thrashing about in the <a href="https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/164603/Underdark-4e?affiliate_id=17596" target="_blank">Underdark</a> is an exception as he is physically present and warps things around him. Big picture the gods wanted the world to continue while the primordials wanted to recycle and reuse it, and that was a big Dawn War cause, but that is different from gods sponsoring kingdoms and such to influence mortal affairs. Later on in 4e you get the Primal stuff with the world's Primal Spirits enacting a ban on the gods and primordials messing with the world. The biggest influence thing I can think of would be Asmodeus and Tieflings and Bael Turath and I am not certain how much was him versus the tieflings who made pacts and ran with them.I think the Dawn War stuff is fantastic, but I think of it as mostly gods versus primordials on the planes and later the Shard of evil stuff. Great god on supernatural being stories, but different from god and mortal interaction stories.I have not really read Divine Power or Plane Above so maybe there is more there or in dragon articles or dungeon adventures.</blockquote>

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