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What's the DC for a fighter to heal their ally with a prayer?
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<blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 8756153" data-attributes="member: 2209"><p>To me that looks like the god acting, not through prayers.</p><p></p><p>This particular quote seems to say that gods can do the same thing (invest a cleric with cleric power) as clerics can. Clerics being able to essentially knight people as new clerics I thought was a fun interesting piece of 4e lore.</p><p></p><p>4e rituals are magic that not everybody can do. Having a ritual book, performing the ceremony, and making a high relevant skill check is insufficient on its own to perform a magical ritual and activate the ritual magic effect.</p><p></p><p>Page 298:</p><p></p><p>"Owning a ritual book isn’t enough to let you perform the ritual or rituals in it. You must first master a ritual by studying it for 8 uninterrupted hours. (If you gained a ritual by creating its book yourself or by obtaining it as a class feature, you have already mastered it.)</p><p><strong>You must meet two requirements to master a ritual.</strong> <strong>You must have the Ritual Caster feat</strong> (clerics and wizards get this feat at 1st level), and <strong>your level must equal or exceed the ritual’s level</strong>. If you meet those requirements and spend 8 hours studying a ritual, you can add it to your list of mastered rituals. As long as you have the ritual’s book handy, you can perform a mastered ritual whenever you want."</p><p></p><p>Alternatively without a book you can cast off a ritual scroll which is "A scroll is a condensed version of a ritual, partially cast and primed"</p><p></p><p>So 4e rituals are specific magic that only some can do that sometimes involve prayers when causing a religious themed magical effect.</p><p></p><p>You can take this as there are examples of things being close to prayers causing magic effects. So you could come up with something to make a prayer only magical effect using ritual magic as a baseline yardstick to start from. Alternatively you could look at 4e ritual magic involving prayers and say without the magic, prayers are just prayers without magic.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Voadam, post: 8756153, member: 2209"] To me that looks like the god acting, not through prayers. This particular quote seems to say that gods can do the same thing (invest a cleric with cleric power) as clerics can. Clerics being able to essentially knight people as new clerics I thought was a fun interesting piece of 4e lore. 4e rituals are magic that not everybody can do. Having a ritual book, performing the ceremony, and making a high relevant skill check is insufficient on its own to perform a magical ritual and activate the ritual magic effect. Page 298: "Owning a ritual book isn’t enough to let you perform the ritual or rituals in it. You must first master a ritual by studying it for 8 uninterrupted hours. (If you gained a ritual by creating its book yourself or by obtaining it as a class feature, you have already mastered it.) [B]You must meet two requirements to master a ritual.[/B] [B]You must have the Ritual Caster feat[/B] (clerics and wizards get this feat at 1st level), and [B]your level must equal or exceed the ritual’s level[/B]. If you meet those requirements and spend 8 hours studying a ritual, you can add it to your list of mastered rituals. As long as you have the ritual’s book handy, you can perform a mastered ritual whenever you want." Alternatively without a book you can cast off a ritual scroll which is "A scroll is a condensed version of a ritual, partially cast and primed" So 4e rituals are specific magic that only some can do that sometimes involve prayers when causing a religious themed magical effect. You can take this as there are examples of things being close to prayers causing magic effects. So you could come up with something to make a prayer only magical effect using ritual magic as a baseline yardstick to start from. Alternatively you could look at 4e ritual magic involving prayers and say without the magic, prayers are just prayers without magic. [/QUOTE]
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