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What's the DC for a fighter to heal their ally with a prayer?
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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 8759252" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>A fighter, or any other PC, making a Basic Attack is not 'a child' or 'a housecat'.</p><p></p><p>Ummmm, look, my wife is Chinese, not Chinese American or whatever, just plain old born and raised in China. She is very into Chinese fantasy. I ASSURE YOU that your definition of Qi as you have put it here bears NO relation whatsoever to how she defines it. While I would say that Chinese have a rather different outlook than westerners on the ideas of 'magic' and 'mundane', Qi is a highly 'fantastical' concept. Sure, people who are using it in a non-fantastical sense, might describe it as being based on focus and such, but there's a distinct element even then of 'gift', you have it or you don't. Once you go anywhere into the realm of fantasy, at all, Qi is a mystical force of spirit energy related to connections with fate and the supernatural. It is IMHO pretty much exactly Martial Power.</p><p></p><p>I don't see anything in 4e's text which states HOW this is accomplished, or why. Who says it is 'shouting' at all? Why not marshaling the warlord's internal spirit and fortitude, focusing that magical force on the target, and causing them to heal? It may serve a specific rhetorical purpose to attempt to cast it in this absurd light of 'shouting', but I go by game text, not rhetoric, lol. </p><p></p><p>Honestly, I think that 4e is written in such a way that you are left with the option to interpret many things in whatever ways you wish. I've certainly described warlords as inspiring their allies to ignore their wounds and fight on myself. I don't think its WRONG to do so, but I also don't think you can simply dismiss Martial Power as nothing but mundane stuff. It just doesn't hold water. Too much of what higher level PCs do that falls under that power source is just way too fantastic.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 8759252, member: 82106"] A fighter, or any other PC, making a Basic Attack is not 'a child' or 'a housecat'. Ummmm, look, my wife is Chinese, not Chinese American or whatever, just plain old born and raised in China. She is very into Chinese fantasy. I ASSURE YOU that your definition of Qi as you have put it here bears NO relation whatsoever to how she defines it. While I would say that Chinese have a rather different outlook than westerners on the ideas of 'magic' and 'mundane', Qi is a highly 'fantastical' concept. Sure, people who are using it in a non-fantastical sense, might describe it as being based on focus and such, but there's a distinct element even then of 'gift', you have it or you don't. Once you go anywhere into the realm of fantasy, at all, Qi is a mystical force of spirit energy related to connections with fate and the supernatural. It is IMHO pretty much exactly Martial Power. I don't see anything in 4e's text which states HOW this is accomplished, or why. Who says it is 'shouting' at all? Why not marshaling the warlord's internal spirit and fortitude, focusing that magical force on the target, and causing them to heal? It may serve a specific rhetorical purpose to attempt to cast it in this absurd light of 'shouting', but I go by game text, not rhetoric, lol. Honestly, I think that 4e is written in such a way that you are left with the option to interpret many things in whatever ways you wish. I've certainly described warlords as inspiring their allies to ignore their wounds and fight on myself. I don't think its WRONG to do so, but I also don't think you can simply dismiss Martial Power as nothing but mundane stuff. It just doesn't hold water. Too much of what higher level PCs do that falls under that power source is just way too fantastic. [/QUOTE]
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