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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8763465" data-attributes="member: 6801228">And how do wizard's cast spells, if not through the knowledge of magical things? And you do not need the spellcasting feature to cast spells. There are many other avenues to spellcasting, from racial abilities, feats, and ritual casting. Heck, you can cast spells through magical items. To me, this almost reads like saying that I know all about numbers and mathematical symbols, but that I can't solve an equation, because I need the "equation solving" feature to do that, and knowledge of how numbers and math symbols work isn't enough. And before you start on something about niche protection, remember, I'm talking taking an action spell and making it an hour long ritual, not for the purposes of utility, but for the purposes of combat.Okay, hit me with it. What is the absolute most terrible thing that allowing a character to spend four Hit Die and an hour long ritual to do with 3rd level or lower spells can do? I'm assuming they are level 5, by the way.Frankly, this has literally never come up, because people who want to cast spells play spellcasters, but someone wanted to make stabilizing a dying character (cantrip level magic) the same as a 3rd level spell, so hit me with your best shot.Because you aren't religious and therefore use other skills? Praying for stealth won't make you stealthy (it could work for a specific narrative purpose, but those are typically "I was captured by [evil thing] when I was a child, I escaped and the gods helped hide me" backstory stuff. Not, "I'm part of a band of trained killers who are very powerful") Really, the entire reason it might work is the desperation motive. It is a life or death situation, and you call upon the gods to aid you. If you want to rely on being in a life or death situation, and then calling out to the gods to save you instead of investing in other skills, you are more than welcome to try, but I'm under no obligation to give you the strength to break steel to save you from slavers, or the direction to find water when you are traveling the desert alone and naked, or steady hands as you are disarming a magical nuke. You can pray, but they won't always answer.</blockquote>

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