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What's the DC for a fighter to heal their ally with a prayer?
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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8764873" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>To fly it legally, sure. To be physically capable of flying it? Nope. You could never have gotten your pilot's license and still be capable of flying the craft. These are different criteria.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But that is how you are reacting to my posts. So, if you understand that there is a vast difference in the process, then it should be easier to see how one doesn't step on the toes of the other. </p><p></p><p>Just because I give someone a golf cart, doesn't mean the Formula-One car is being stepped on.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>OKay. See above. You are acting like "Fighter spends an hour, mutliple HD, and casts fireball" is completely identical to "Wizard spends seconds, and a spell slot, and casts fireball" Otherwise, your claim about surgery is nonsense.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's why I added the "and" They went to Seminary (has the focus on their particular religion) AND has a working knowledge of other religions. If I felt that it was only one of them, I wouldn't have used "and"</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It isn't even a houserule. It isn't that formalized. It is an adjudication. The "natural standards of play" are the supporting aspects that led to me making that houserule. </p><p></p><p>Like DnD being commonly in a world with interventionist gods. Like DnD portraying Arcane magic as being gained purely through stufy. That is the supporting evidence that I am using for my adjudication, not the fact that I made the call I did. </p><p></p><p>And people have said they wouldn't make the same call, which I have been fine with. The only think I argue is that they declare things like "magic cannot be learned through study" or "The gods will never answer prayers unless you are a cleric or paladin" that massively impact the game in ways I don't think they consider in their rush to prevent a fighter from doing the things being asked. </p><p></p><p>I'm arguing your supporting evidence, not your ruling.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you don't want to do it, just rule against it. But your attacks on my supporting reasoning are bordering on nonsensical, because you are rejecting core principles of the DnD standard setting. Or you make analogies that make no sense. So there seems to be something you are not perfectly understanding</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Turning all wizards into warlocks or all wizards into sorcerers is far more arbitrary and bizarre than allowing Arcane magic to be gained through study, like it is always presented as. Making Clerics and other divinely touched people the only spellcasters is neat, but far from how the world's of DnD are presented, what with Arcane and Divine magic being separated. </p><p></p><p>Maybe Fireball is too far for some people, but that was the question asked, so that was the question answered.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That shortcut being the same pacts and deals that those with an innate talent for magic are forced to undergo? I think you through out so much chaff, you've lost your own way.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I've never once claimed you should use my ruling. Make your own. You seem utterly offended by that, but that's been my position this entire time.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8764873, member: 6801228"] To fly it legally, sure. To be physically capable of flying it? Nope. You could never have gotten your pilot's license and still be capable of flying the craft. These are different criteria. But that is how you are reacting to my posts. So, if you understand that there is a vast difference in the process, then it should be easier to see how one doesn't step on the toes of the other. Just because I give someone a golf cart, doesn't mean the Formula-One car is being stepped on. OKay. See above. You are acting like "Fighter spends an hour, mutliple HD, and casts fireball" is completely identical to "Wizard spends seconds, and a spell slot, and casts fireball" Otherwise, your claim about surgery is nonsense. That's why I added the "and" They went to Seminary (has the focus on their particular religion) AND has a working knowledge of other religions. If I felt that it was only one of them, I wouldn't have used "and" It isn't even a houserule. It isn't that formalized. It is an adjudication. The "natural standards of play" are the supporting aspects that led to me making that houserule. Like DnD being commonly in a world with interventionist gods. Like DnD portraying Arcane magic as being gained purely through stufy. That is the supporting evidence that I am using for my adjudication, not the fact that I made the call I did. And people have said they wouldn't make the same call, which I have been fine with. The only think I argue is that they declare things like "magic cannot be learned through study" or "The gods will never answer prayers unless you are a cleric or paladin" that massively impact the game in ways I don't think they consider in their rush to prevent a fighter from doing the things being asked. I'm arguing your supporting evidence, not your ruling. If you don't want to do it, just rule against it. But your attacks on my supporting reasoning are bordering on nonsensical, because you are rejecting core principles of the DnD standard setting. Or you make analogies that make no sense. So there seems to be something you are not perfectly understanding Turning all wizards into warlocks or all wizards into sorcerers is far more arbitrary and bizarre than allowing Arcane magic to be gained through study, like it is always presented as. Making Clerics and other divinely touched people the only spellcasters is neat, but far from how the world's of DnD are presented, what with Arcane and Divine magic being separated. Maybe Fireball is too far for some people, but that was the question asked, so that was the question answered. That shortcut being the same pacts and deals that those with an innate talent for magic are forced to undergo? I think you through out so much chaff, you've lost your own way. I've never once claimed you should use my ruling. Make your own. You seem utterly offended by that, but that's been my position this entire time. [/QUOTE]
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