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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Olgar Shiverstone" data-source="post: 2608467" data-attributes="member: 5868">We all secretly await the Chosen one who will bring balance to D&D.I value balance, such that each PC has a more or less equal potential for fun and group contribution, and rules to the game that make the game worth playing -- where outcomes are not pre-determined, and there are many choices, but none so clearly optimal as to be always taken, or clearly sub-optimal as to be never taken.  3E has achieved that pretty well.  If enough people can come here to EN World and argue both sides of an issue as to what is over- or under-powered, without clear consensus, the rules have done their job.  Beyond that is all in the application of the DM.</blockquote>