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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 9275568" data-attributes="member: 177">I am not interested in placing blame.&nbsp; I'm interested in reducing the mystery.The amusing thing is we see this same dynamic show up in our discussions of games: what happens when you take jargon - normal words given special meaning within a technical domain - and take it outside that domain.&nbsp; &quot;GNS theory&quot; has its own definitions of what they mean by &quot;gamism&quot;, &quot;narrativism&quot; and &quot;simulationism&quot;.&nbsp; Those definitions do not generally match what comes into the minds of other gamers when those words are used.&nbsp; Arguments ensue based on different understandings of what the term should mean.&quot;Black box&quot; - do we all remember that has at least two meanings?&nbsp; It can mean a box into which we cannot see that has mysterious operation OR it references something like a flight recorder - the box of recorded data we use after a major failure to work out what happened.So, the black box is either a mystery we cannot understand, or it is the thing we open up to solve mysteries!&nbsp; And that's before we look into what is meant by AI researchers.Maybe the fact that the term is used within the domain is not a good reason for using it here.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 9275568, member: 177"] I am not interested in placing blame. I'm interested in reducing the mystery. The amusing thing is we see this same dynamic show up in our discussions of games: what happens when you take jargon - normal words given special meaning within a technical domain - and take it outside that domain. "GNS theory" has its own definitions of what they mean by "gamism", "narrativism" and "simulationism". Those definitions do not generally match what comes into the minds of other gamers when those words are used. Arguments ensue based on different understandings of what the term should mean. "Black box" - do we all remember that has at least two meanings? It can mean a box into which we cannot see that has mysterious operation [I]OR[/I] it references something like a flight recorder - the box of recorded data we use after a major failure to work out what happened. So, the black box is either a mystery we cannot understand, or it is the thing we open up to [I]solve[/I] mysteries! And that's before we look into what is meant by AI researchers. Maybe the fact that the term is used within the domain is not a good reason for using it here. [/QUOTE]

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